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Whenever I'm online, I first check Civfanatics' news items. Then I start browsing the Apolyton forums ... and usually stay there.
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April 3, 2002, 15:14
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I agree with Martin, CFC is very much inferior to Apolyton because they don't don't cover the CtP series among other games (one lousy forum with only 'CtP s*cks!' posts doesn't count). I like their History forum though, that's something Apolyton could use as well.
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i can safely say though that Locutus will be a database manager before the end of this quarter 
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Woohoo! :party: (one other advantage CFC has over Apolyton: a :party: smily )
That's great news, Markos, having the databases open for additions again will be a very good development for the CtP1/2 community 
I'd better keep my agenda empty then, there are a LOT of files that need to be added...
Well, I'm off now. Gotta go calculate when end of this quarter will be 
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April 3, 2002, 15:48
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i like it here better. i find these forums to be comfortable and familiar (no doubt a result of the time i spend here), besides CFC's Civ2 MP community seems to be all PBEM types since the ladder has fallen. also they don't have anything for me that 'Poly doesn't.
I  Apolyton 
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April 3, 2002, 17:40
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April 3, 2002, 17:57
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To be honest I've only visited CF once.
I spend too much time here, so am not going to bother over there.
Why don't the two sites merge. - That way we'd have vibrant forums and good information. Along with a reliable server
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April 3, 2002, 18:33
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and above all only apolyton has speer 
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You´re right Markos, this is definately a strong point of the CivFanatics website
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April 3, 2002, 20:40
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I think the posters here at Apolyton are more mature.
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April 3, 2002, 20:54
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Originally posted by Tuomerehu
Same thing, 1100+ there vs. something under 11 here.
But to be truthful, I think GC Forums is both of ours fav. site.
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1100+?!  Wow.
Well, being mod there I have to spam...er, be there quite a bit, so it cuts into my CFC time.
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I think the posters here at Apolyton are more mature.
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Originally posted by Alexander's Horse at CFC a long time ago...
CFC is for kids 
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Oh yeah, I remember now.
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April 4, 2002, 00:49
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Finally a thread about CivFanatics on Poly!!! We have had a few threads about Poly over at CFC.
The question "which forum is better" is hard to answer, mainly because it depends on the amount of time you spend on each site. If you spend lots of time on CivFanatics and little time on Apolyton, chance is you'll have a biased view of Apolyton because you really don't know much about the forum and its posters, and vice versa. It's like saying you hate real time startegy games even though you have never given it a chance and automatically assumed you only like turn based games; you might actually find that you like both types of games. It requires an open mind for a person to enjoy both forums. Unfortunately it's hard to keep an open mind because posters tend to feel a sense of loyalty/attachment to the forum they post most often on.
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I agree with Martin, CFC is very much inferior to Apolyton because they don't don't cover the CtP series among other games (one lousy forum with only 'CtP s*cks!' posts doesn't count). I like their History forum though, that's something Apolyton could use as well.
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We don't cover the CTP series because I don't play CTP and don't think I can do a good job covering a game I don't play. Same thing for Alpha Centauri. The SMAC box is still sitting on the shelf....unopened. (I like to collect games ). Right now I am happy to just focus on the Civilzation series....
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April 4, 2002, 00:59
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Originally posted by Thunderfall
It's like saying you hate real time startegy games even though you have never given it a chance and automatically assumed you only like turn based games; you might actually find that you like both types of games. It requires an open mind for a person to enjoy both forums. Unfortunately it's hard to keep an open mind because posters tend to feel a sense of loyalty/attachment to the forum they post most often on.
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I don't like RTS. I know I don't like RTS. I don't have to try RTS to know that I don't like it. Tofu too. Don't have to try it to know I don't like it. It has a stupid name. How the heck am I ever going to like it? And if I did, I'd never admit I liked it. It has a stupid name! My mind is like a closed book, and I like it that way!
OTOH. You have a fine forum. It doesn't have a stupid name and it doesn't have a stupid concept like *strategy* on the clock. So I tried it. It didn't taste bad. Actually, I quite liked it. But I only have room for one favorite dish and your on it.
PS. Yes I actually inanely clicked away a few hours before I became thoroughly disgusted with the entire concept of RT*Strategy*.
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April 4, 2002, 01:02
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Originally posted by steelehc
This is the kind of thing that should be in the ACS Communist forum, or maybe the off-topic. It'll get moved soon enough, though.
I like apolyton, and I don't like Civfantics.
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You certainly mean the Community forum... but Communist forum is an awesome name either .
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Cool! That gives me an idea! How about the Democracy forum--an unmoderated forum where people can say whatever the he** they want!
Just kidding, Ming. 
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April 4, 2002, 12:56
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We don't cover the CTP series because I don't play CTP and don't think I can do a good job covering a game I don't play. Same thing for Alpha Centauri. The SMAC box is still sitting on the shelf....unopened. (I like to collect games ). Right now I am happy to just focus on the Civilzation series....
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Actual to play a game is not a requirement to cover it. I don't think that Markos and Dan play all the games that Apolyton covers. You know there is a reason for database mangers. At least your page needs a CTP1/2 database to turn it into a real civ page. To be honest Civ3 offers less than CTP1 and even in some areas than Civ2. So CTP2 is the way to go for me and not a game that you could call "Civ2.5" for various reasons. It is sad that I can find some reasons to call it Civ2.5. One of them is that CTP1 was and is for me Civ3, so your page doesn't cover the whole Civ series in my opinion, just Sid's Civs. There is something missing. For the forums it doesn't make sense to splitt the CTP1/2 forum as there are to few posts, but it is true that you can find there some people who are indeed searching for some help there.
By the way, Poly is better if you are using Netscape 4.5 and CivFanatics is better if you are using Opera.
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April 4, 2002, 13:18
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Originally posted by Martin Gühmann
To be honest Civ3 offers less than CTP1 and even in some areas than Civ2.
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April 4, 2002, 13:26
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At CFC my user id is 14 and i have a postcount of 30
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April 4, 2002, 14:36
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The real reason I prefer CFC: Altough spamming (j/k) in Suomithread is fun,
posts in OT doesn't bigger your postcount. So spamming isn't funny.
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April 4, 2002, 16:36
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I don't play CTP
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Now there's your biggest mistake (Modded) CtP2 is by far the best Civ game ever, how can you not have played it! 
Anyway, I can understand and respect why you don't cover CtP (and quite frankly don't mind too much either - I like having the entire community on one site) but it does mean that your site will forever be inferior to Apolyton I'm already quite happy that you got rid of that old slogan (what was it again? 'Dedicated to the everything Civilization' or something?) and replaced it with 'Dedicated to Civ1, Civ2, and Civ3' and opened a CtP forum (quite useful to promote our mods with, as backup for when 'Poly is down and to lure people to Apolyton with ).
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April 4, 2002, 17:02
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FIRAXIS knows who is best... Look at Civ 3.
No FANATICS (they were chucked), yet their is POLYthesism.
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April 4, 2002, 17:12
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Originally posted by Grrr
FIRAXIS knows who is best... Look at Civ 3.
No FANATICS (they were chucked), yet their is POLYthesism.
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Not to mention that Apolyton is actually a Greek city in Civ3 (and mentioned in the credits of CtP2) 
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April 4, 2002, 18:09
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Building a website is like a job... It's not fun if you force yourself to do something you don't care about. It's better for someone who really likes CTP to make a CTP fan site. Really, if you are addicted to CTP, build a fan site. You will get no competition from CivFanatics.
I'll give Reynolds' upcoming Rise of Nations a try. We'll cover it if I like that game.
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April 4, 2002, 18:40
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Really, if you are addicted to CTP, build a fan site.
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Why? We already have Apolyton...
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April 5, 2002, 01:46
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Both sites are great.
Since when is not covering CtP deeply a bad thing?
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April 5, 2002, 13:04
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both sites are great,
if i browse poly more often is because I discovered it before CFC,
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April 5, 2002, 15:20
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Since when is not covering CtP deeply a bad thing?
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I know you don't want really an answer , but it is already in this thread:
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To be honest Civ3 offers less than CTP1 and even in some areas than Civ2.
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Correction: in most areas
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I knew that someone had to correct me as I didn't wasted my money for another beta, at least you can fix and mod CTP2, so CTP2 prevented me to buy other games therefore it helped me to save a lot of money. Civ3 couldn't do this, because you are dependent on Firaxis.
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Really, if you are addicted to CTP, build a fan site.
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If you mean a small and simple CTP2 database: Already done. Unfortunatly I have only enough space there to cover my own mods and some other small stuff.
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Building a website is like a job... It's not fun if you force yourself to do something you don't care about.
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I see your point and problem here, to solve it just do that what Locutus suggested indirectly. CTP2 isn't so expansive as Civ3, download than a mod the pacth and ModSwapper and have fun.
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April 5, 2002, 17:48
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Civfanatics, however IMO, has a better main page layout
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you can now (again) see a "latest news from all sections" page at http://apolyton.net/news
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April 6, 2002, 02:53
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I think that CivFanatics is ok. I registered in their forums when Poly was down, there were some interesting posts there. I would say that, by the time I registered there, flame wars were erupting everywhere here on Apolyton, and CF forums were gathering mostly people that liked Civ3 and wanted to discuss it.
But I really, deeply, frankly, love Apolyton. I don't know, maybe it is because I've been around here for quite some time, and I learned to know the posters... I just feel comfortable here. It has been a wonderful place to hang around with interesting people and drink some beers and... (Hmm, I think I'm not all that recovered from last night. Silly me.)
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April 6, 2002, 07:11
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I think that CivFanatics is ok. I registered in their forums when Poly was down, there were some interesting posts there. I would say that, by the time I registered there, flame wars were erupting everywhere here on Apolyton, and CF forums were gathering mostly people that liked Civ3 and wanted to discuss it.
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I registered there when Poly was down, too, just to correct these CTP1/2 suckers and help other people who are searching for serious help on CivFanatics. So the quality of this CTP1/2 forum raised. But it isn't the same as Apolyton.
The absence of flame wars in the Civ3 forums there is really a plus for CivFanatics if it is still true. But actual the Apolyton CTP2 forums are from this point of view also very good all the people who don't like the game and just want to flame are in the Civ3 forum, if you go to the CTP2 forum you are there for serious discussion meaning no spam, no wars, otherwise you will be ignored or won't fine someone there who wants the same thing.
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April 6, 2002, 07:23
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The SMAC box is still sitting on the shelf....unopened.
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You made a mistake.
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The moderators are too harsh on CFC you seem to get banned at the drop of a hat for just a tiny insult to another poster.
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April 6, 2002, 09:34
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The moderators are too harsh on CFC you seem to get banned at the drop of a hat for just a tiny insult to another poster.
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Then don't insult other posters, and you have no worries.
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The moderators are too harsh on CFC you seem to get banned at the drop of a hat for just a tiny insult to another poster.
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Actal it sucks to insult other people. Note offences are the arguments of the ones who are wrong.
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