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Call for playtesters soon.
I'm putting the finishing touches on a new scenario.
Imperialism 1870
It has several interesting features;
1.) No railroads. Roads are railroads with a greatly increased movement multiplier.
2.) A giga-map of the world. It's very . . . big.
3.) 255 cities placed worldwide.
4.) Events that simulate many of the rebellions, uprisings, and colonial wars of the period.
5.) Runs from 1870 to 1920 and could end in World War!
6.) Another of my typically extended tech trees.
7.) Over 50 "barbarian" cities just waiting to be occupied by the imperial powers. (You might have to fight your way in, though  )
7.) Did I mention . . . big?
Anyone interested post in this thread and I'll check back here from time to time (whenever the site is actually functional  ) I've still got to put together a splash graphic, the events file, and toy with some of the units and techs to ferret out the most glaring errors prior to playtesting, but the map is done. The tech tree (in its preliminary stage) is done. The cities/units/improvements/wonders/terrain are all placed. I've waited for quite some time for someone else to do an Imperialism scenario, but just got tired of waiting and did it myself.
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April 19, 2002, 13:19
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Prince
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Woohoo, well let me be the first to reply, oh and its an afirmative  Although i know that there will be about 90 versions while you update the tech tree one bit at a time  but enough, i accept. Grothgar_1999@yahoo.com
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April 19, 2002, 15:31
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Prince
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Second one:
I'll accept to, sounds a bit like the one i was doing but it starts in 1816 after napoleon.
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April 19, 2002, 19:26
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King
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What are the seven playable civs?
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April 19, 2002, 20:07
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Emperor
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Hi Exile,
I´m a gigamap scenario fan, so i´d like to take a look at yours. Please, send it here: academia2002@hotmail.com
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April 19, 2002, 23:49
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King
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I'm enjoying AOW, and I'd love to see a one of a more broad scope.
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April 20, 2002, 00:19
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King
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More Info . . .
JJK; With this giga-map, broad is certainly the right word. For me, this very large map both solves some problems and provides a distinctive flavor to the scenario. It will take some time to get around the world, even though ship movement is greatly increased over my previous scenarios. This should give one the feeling of traversing oceans instead of crossing the little lake-like excuses for oceans on the normal-sized maps. Trade will become especially important due not only to the high tech multiplier, but also because of the immense distances involved. I shudder to think what a trade route from Sydney to London would generate in terms of cash. Paris will NOT be two spaces away from Berlin! Trying to run down elusive colonial-era foes in the vast wilderness will not be a simple matter. There is also enough space so that cities that were NOT ports will not BE ports (I'm talking about towns like Tananarive and Mexico City, for example).
Warvoid; The civs are: British, French, Russian, German/Austrian/Scandinavian, American, Japanese, and Italian/Spanish/Latin American. Barbs control the rest, about 55 cities, and have been relabelled "Oriental" in line with the feel of the period.
Over the next week I should have the splash graphic completed and have worked out all the "stupid" kinks. When I've got the event file done, I'll start sending playtest versions out.
And thanx to everyone for volunteering
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April 20, 2002, 00:40
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King
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Are any of the Latin American cities going to be barb controlled? Like Haiti and Dominican Republic that were independent, but also very subject to foreign intervention?
Also, the starting date places not many European cities in Africa, so will the whole continent pretty much be open game?
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April 20, 2002, 01:35
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King
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Once again, Civ2 forces compromises.
JJK; even with the giga-sized map, the island of Hispaniola will only contain one city, Port-au-Prince, and it will be part of the Latin American/Spanish/Italian civ. Given a perfect world (and a more reasonable number of potential player civs) I would have made each of those 3 separate civs.
And you are right on the money about the Europeans-in-Africa situation at the start of the scenario. The whole continent is virtually wide open to colonization. The Suez Canal (colossus) is in Egypt already, and located in a "Oriental" city. Given each of the player civ's opening fiscal crises, there will probably be a race to see which Imperial power can snatch it first.
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April 20, 2002, 01:55
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Prince
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Re: Call for playtesters soon.
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Originally posted by Exile
I've waited for quite some time for someone else to do an Imperialism scenario, but just got tired of waiting and did it myself.
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Spanky is still working on a scenario that covers exactly the same period. Only an ordinary world map though. It looked really good, but I think theres still a big wait on its release.
Well done Exile!  I think you should have a playtest pbem as your scenarios seem to play particularly well in that medium.
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April 20, 2002, 02:16
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Re: Re: Call for playtesters soon.
As I told you before I'll be happy to playtest.
Oh and when it comes around to a pbem, I want to be in it!  (the original AoW game started as a pbem playtest after all...)
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April 20, 2002, 03:00
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Prince
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LOl, well i better put my bid in for the test game pbem....
i'll take the British , when we get it going..
btw- exile in New Zealand included with maroi pa's?? Or something. (mightier than a fortess and where trench warfare was invented in New Zealand, in 1780, and the British did not learn there lesson here in the 3 New Zealand Wars it was brought around by, the british way attrition)
A quick history lesson, NZ may have been a dominion or part of the british empire, but it was only small towns, like wellington, christchurch, auckland, all the rest of the country was maroi, and arkoroa was french, yes everyone, we had french colony in New Zealand and dutch, scotish, irish, welsh, german, Scandinavian.
YAY !!! WINTERFRITZ, MORE PBEM!! LOL
OK there i'm finished
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April 20, 2002, 03:19
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Prince
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Then its unaminous... the official test pbem has started already
I bags the Japanese. Send me the scenario at winterfritz_21@yahoo.com
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April 20, 2002, 03:27
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****! I wanted the japs
I'll be either Scandinavia/Germany  or France.
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April 20, 2002, 03:37
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Quote:
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Originally posted by Henrik
the original AoW game started as a pbem playtest after all...
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Exactly
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April 20, 2002, 04:04
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King
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If we're already to the point of calling who we want, I call the US
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April 20, 2002, 04:44
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Prince
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LOL i think i started something!!
Exile look what you've done to us, already!!
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April 20, 2002, 07:58
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Chieftain
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I'll take the Germans if nobody minds
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April 20, 2002, 12:18
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I'd like this. I'll take Britain.
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April 20, 2002, 15:38
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i´ll command the spanish/italian/latinamerican forces!!!
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April 20, 2002, 23:39
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Prince
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I already bags the British El Awrence
But Exile, when will you be finished and start handing out the goodies. Coz you got everyone excited.
Btw- when DO we get sent the copies?
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April 21, 2002, 00:56
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Simmer down, kid.
Patience is a virtue, Soundwave.
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April 21, 2002, 10:12
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Chieftain
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Exile are you familiar with Leon Marricks scenario Imperial Pride?
It was an excelent scenario starting in 1870 and ending in 1920 and it was historically accurate even though it had no events! Playing Russia was great. It was hard to modernize your industry and army and battle the Ottomen. The Traditionals were also interesting to play. Still one of my favorite scenarios.
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April 21, 2002, 10:57
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Actually, DD . . .
I have heard of the scenario you mentioned, but never played it, IIRC. The Imperialism scenario that I've played most (and modified heavily, though w/the original designer's permission) is the Imperialism 1884v7, by Mattias Pitz. It was done back in the good old days, and so lacks some of the refinements of later scenarios, but I've enjoyed it many times, nevertheless.
The problem that I've always had with Imperialism scenarios is that they always seem to take place in too small an arena. Truthfully, Imperialism 1870 is a compromise solution. In an ideal world, I would have an even larger map. And 255 cities is not nearly enough. I had to leave out at least two dozen cities that I would have liked to place. Additionally, I could have used a few more unit slots as well. The worst problem is the infuriating limit of only 7 civs and barbarians. Time and time again, I've dismissed ideas for scenarios because I felt it couldn't be done to my satisfaction with only 7 civs. I'll explain my rationale for assigning the various civs their spheres in the readme file when I put it together, however.
Btw, only the splash graphic and the events file remain to be completed. Once these are done, the first playtest copies will go out.
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April 21, 2002, 12:48
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Since I didn't find Imperial Pride anywhere and thought that you want to try it I zipped the files and put the zip here as an attachment. Enjoy.
Oh BTW, I'd like to be Russia in the PBEM.
EDIT: Doh, Imperial Pride can be downloaded from Apolyton
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April 21, 2002, 13:41
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Sorry I allready took them
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April 21, 2002, 14:34
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Oooh, Oooh I'll take France
Oh, and I'll need the scenario too.  You can send it to JMShrader@aol.com
Probably not the best choice considering what I did in AoW, but hey, thats the Fates for ya.
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April 21, 2002, 18:28
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Prince
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LOL, Fate wont take place!
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April 23, 2002, 11:03
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The News . . .
Everything is done, the playtest version is ready to go, except for one thing; the events file. My Swedish friend is on that right now, so as soon as he sends the completed file to me, I'll start sending out the scenario to the posters in this thread.
I'll be testing the thing too, probably playing it almost non-stop for the next few weeks until I make sure that it's come out just the way I want it. While a pbem game between all you guys is cool, those things tend to move kinda slow. I'll ask the playtesters to start a few solo games in an effort to spot any loose ends or stupid mistakes . . . as well as run your pbem game.
"Ah gots ta know!" --The bank robber shot by Dirty Harry in the first 4 minutes of the first movie.
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April 23, 2002, 18:34
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Prince
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I'll be the frist to say YAY!!!
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