Pornography

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


When I was 11 I wanted to be a mathematician.

so did I (or a physicist)

some of my classmates did not

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by MrFun


No, of course not.

But pornography provides additional encouragment, that's all.

I agree with you Mr. Fun

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Hmmmmm.....maybe, but you'd be surprised how inaccurate human memory can be when personal pride is involved.

So are all you early bloomers happy with the way that your nascent sexuality blossumed?

I have read that children in the US (particularly girls) are going through puberty at a younger age

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
I suppose alot of this is a religious/personal morality type of issue, but as I pointed out it could lead to warped attitudes depending on what exactly the porn is. Also, many feminists have said that pornography degrades women.

"it happens. When kids become sexually active they need to relieve themselves,"

Can you prove that? They may have desires to do so, but then you just can't act on any desire. You might desire to hit that teacher who is being really annoying, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.

porn does degreade women and men

Jon Miller

[Skanky Burns]

porn does degreade women and men

Not necessarily.
I'd post some links as proof, but

[-=Vagrant=-]

Beautifull childhood memories:
Yes, I dreamed about "doing" it with my teacher, she was aprox 25-28. I was 12!!! I did not know what "doing it" precisely was, but I knew it was something good. And I always kept it to myself. At the tender age of 14 I discovered "killing kittens" and porn. No regrets about that. I can safely say porn did not twist my idea of a women model. I just used/use porn to feel good. Never too much, but not too little either. [can't believe I'm writing this]
Oh, and I am engaged already, but that doesn't mean that I'm dead.

[Provost Harrison]

But the big question is: when did you all have your first stiffy?

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
You need a more accessible girlfriend.

I have a very accessible girlfriend; she's at hand 24 hours a day

[Wraith]

--"But pornography provides additional encouragment, that's all"

So how do you feel about kids watching violent movies or TV shows? (Okay, so Mr. Fun's changed his mind, but how about Jon Miller?)

--"I have read that children in the US (particularly girls) are going through puberty at a younger age"

This is much more likely to be a reaction to something like good nutrition than to viewing porn

--"porn does degreade women and men"

Heh. Some of the stuff is actually done quite well, and doesn't really count as degrading. Your statement is a bit too much of a generalization.
BTW, what about boxing? Is it degrading? If not, why?

Wraith
Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


I have read that children in the US (particularly girls) are going through puberty at a younger age

Jon Miller

Yes, but that's been true for 40 years now. You still can't produce sperm prior to developing at least a full "beard" of downy pubic hair and testicular enlargment. It's a physiologic fact. I'm not an expert, I'm a physician. I had to learn this. I've seen probably thousands of peri-pubescent kids for sports physicals. The sequence of events is really remarkably precise.

You know, if you were so young that you didn't know what you were doing maybe you shouldn'y have been doing it. It could be argued that you weren't "relieving tensions". Did you learn to do this entirely on your own initiative or did someone expose you to it?

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
But the big question is: when did you all have your first stiffy?

"Stiffys" can even happen during infancy.

[Alynzia]

Serious questions!

At what age roughly can a boy first ejaculate?

What is the average 'refractory period'?
(i.e. the time between orgasm and when the next erection can be achieved - it can range from 3 minutes to 24 hours!)

Pornography is nice. People make money and people are made happy. I don't feel threatened by girls with huge boobs, they look nice, big deal.

Alynzia.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by Alynzia
Serious questions!

At what age roughly can a boy first ejaculate?

What is the average 'refractory period'?
(i.e. the time between orgasm and when the next erection can be achieved - it can range from 3 minutes to 24 hours!)

Pornography is nice. People make money and people are made happy. I don't feel threatened by girls with huge boobs, they look nice, big deal.

Alynzia.

Boys can generally ejaculate when they've reached Tanner Stage 2+ or 3 of sexual development.

[boann]

the only thing wrong with porn is the under current messages....

--that people are their body parts and not the sum of the whole.

--no one has the bodies printed in the porn....its all
mostly airbrush and computer inhanced

...so it sets up an unrealistic goal or ideal...that no young girl or woman can attain to without having some eating disorder..

and ive seen here "men" talk about a beautiful woman who has been a centerfold.....a picture of her without all the makeup and
in her natural state...she is suddenly someone to make fun
of or say is ugly..

sex is natural and bodies nothing to be ashamed of...
but young girls shouldn't be made to feel inferior to
something thats an illusion.

[chequita guevara]

I was a late bloomer. I . . . well, uhm






















. . . I believed them when they said masturbation was morally wrong and made you have more acne and maybe the hair on the palms thing too.



I think that there is a paticular problem that Playboy causes, which is it sets up an unrealistic fantasy for men on what sexually attractive women are supposed to be. Since most women don't have impossibly skinny waists, flawless skin, and gravity defying breasts, it's a little hard to find a perfect women.

However, as a child, I was extemely in favor of children, or one particular child at anyrate, having access to porn. I felt the same as a teen, and I see no reason for that belief to change now. I expect I will probably change my views when I have children, but that will be hypocritical of me.

[Az]

@ chegitz.

you didn't believe THAT!


it's ok . we all have our flaws.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Wraith
--"But pornography provides additional encouragment, that's all"

So how do you feel about kids watching violent movies or TV shows? (Okay, so Mr. Fun's changed his mind, but how about Jon Miller?)

--"I have read that children in the US (particularly girls) are going through puberty at a younger age"

This is much more likely to be a reaction to something like good nutrition than to viewing porn

--"porn does degreade women and men"

Heh. Some of the stuff is actually done quite well, and doesn't really count as degrading. Your statement is a bit too much of a generalization.
BTW, what about boxing? Is it degrading? If not, why?

Wraith
Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject.

there is still the fact that kids are being moved towards something that emotionally they are not ready for

the age thing was my counter that kids were able to do stuff or think about it at younger ages than previously (While in general being less mature for longer)

I am for, for various ages, kids being limited in their exposure to violence in the media and telvision until they are emotionally mature

I think however that violence is something easilier handled at a younger age, Sex is for adults (As is porn)

Jon Miller

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
You know, if you were so young that you didn't know what you were doing maybe you shouldn'y have been doing it. It could be argued that you weren't "relieving tensions". Did you learn to do this entirely on your own initiative or did someone expose you to it?

I was having ejaculations (mostly wet dreams) when I was eleven without knowing what the hell was going on. However, I also started shaving when I was twelve, so maybe I was just an extremely early bloomer.

[WhiteElephants]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I think that there is a paticular problem that Playboy causes, which is it sets up an unrealistic fantasy for men on what sexually attractive women are supposed to be. Since most women don't have impossibly skinny waists, flawless skin, and gravity defying breasts, it's a little hard to find a perfect women

I'm not just adressing Che here, but his quote is relevant to the arguement that porn has warped our sense of beauty. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that other more "legal" forms of entertainment had warped our sense of beauty many moons before you first laid eyes on porn?

For instance movie stars, clothing catalogs, people on television in general. Are these people not exceedingly attractive, and therefore unrealistically beautiful? For instance, you could blame porn for a young child feeling overweight and ugly, though chances are the person she's comparing herself to isn't some bombastic porn star, in fact, she's probably trying to emulate some teen pop star a la Brittany Spears who we, both men and society, tend to glorify.

What I'm suggesting is that this typical arguement gets well ahead of itself in that it could be argued our sensibilities about beauty are warped long before anyone gets their hands on porn. Porn is just an easy target for criticism and is perhaps unabashedly about (male?) sexuality and the human body.

[David Floyd]

I think WE is spot-on.

[chequita guevara]

In general, I don't find that many people in television or rock bands or movies to be presenting themselves sexually in states of complete undress. If I found them remoutely attractive, I could still only specualte as to what Ms. Spears or Ms. Aniston looks like without clothes. I do not have to wonder about Miss July.

[WhiteElephants]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
In general, I don't find that many people in television or rock bands or movies to be presenting themselves sexually in states of complete undress. If I found them remoutely attractive, I could still only specualte as to what Ms. Spears or Ms. Aniston looks like without clothes. I do not have to wonder about Miss July.

Well I guess you've never seen the ads for women's underwear in the newpaper? You've never perused a catalog of Victoria's Secret -- how much is really left to speculate? Not to mention the limited clothing Ms. Spears has, or has not, donned in various highly watched entertainment episodes -- Super Bowl, Music Awards, etc. Did the Sports Illistrated swim suit issue leave you vague clues as well? I imagine sleepless nights spent speculating whether or not Ms. Aniston weighed 125 or 225, no? What of the various Mtv videos with women in multiple stages of undress -- say, the video for that Moulin Rouge song where the perfromers wore articles of lingerie? Pick up an issue of Bazzar or Elle next time your at your local grocer and follow the trail of mysterious clues you find there. It all leads to the same place inspector Klueso, blatant sexuality. The varying degrees of nakedness doesn't change that.

[MrFun]

I have nothing against teenagers enjoying porn, nor adults enjoying porn.

I enjoy it myself.

[WhiteElephants]

Originally posted by MrFun
I have nothing against teenagers enjoying porn, nor adults enjoying porn.

I enjoy it myself.

What about the elderly? Do you have anything against that?

[orange]

Originally posted by David Floyd
I mean, for a kid - worst case it causes masturbation, right? How is that bad?

Carpul Tunnel Syndrome

[loinburger]

Originally posted by WhiteElephants
What about the elderly? Do you have anything against that?

I was under the impression that the elderly were adults.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by WhiteElephants


What about the elderly? Do you have anything against that?

Are you implying that elderly people do not qualify as adults, so therefore, I had to designate them separately??

[Gibsie]

What about the senile? They're special.

[WhiteElephants]

Originally posted by MrFun

Are you implying that elderly people do not qualify as adults, so therefore, I had to designate them separately??

I don't know, can you really consider yourself an adult when you consistently crap your pants?

Damn people, when did this turn into John Ashsroft's Bible study group? Laugh a little, eh? I know it's Sunday and all, but c'mon.

Besides if I hadn't responded to MrFun I probably would have been accussed of ignoring him.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by WhiteElephants
Besides if I hadn't responded to MrFun I probably would have been accussed of ignoring him.