can u have more than 1 leader ? cont'd

Redstar · April 30, 2002, 01:46

Its been ages since i looked and i can't find it now so i apologize if this question has already been answered once and for all.

Playing on war lord...i had a leader hanging around for about a thousand years. I decided to turn it into an army to see if i could get another 1 and how.

Sure enough 2 battles later..using an elite tank to win 2 battles (i don't know if it had won any before this while elite)...

a new leader was created. So i have 2.

I remember that people did say that the opponents were definately known to have more than 1 army.

So in case this is a moot point now, i would like to add the following observation about capturing a city. Well, i guess its more of a whine.

In all my conquering, the most improvements that have remained have been 3-4. This is when there is only 1 troop defending the enemy city. Usually I am only left with 1 or no improvements.

On the one hand its not so bad since i have no fear of using maximum firepower since i will get almost nothing anyway.

And with this latest patch, i have to starve a population down to around 9 before I can actually assign workers to land instead of entertainers.

In civ 2..you could usually count on keeping 1/2 the improvements.

So after all that i have 2 questions.

1) Is my observation valid?
2) If it is, why so harsh on the destruction even if there is only a minimal defence force?

hello =)

edit: oh and 1 more thing...that delay pause when you remove an airport or harbour is definately GONE. thanks!

nationalist · April 30, 2002, 01:58

I don't think that it is possible to have 2 active great leaders at once. However, as soon as you use a great leader (through either building an army or building a wonder) you are eligable to create a new Great Leader.

asleepathewheel · April 30, 2002, 02:01

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Originally posted by Redstar
Playing on war lord...i had a leader hanging around for about a thousand years. I decided to turn it into an army to see if i could get another 1 and how.

Sure enough 2 battles later..using an elite tank to win 2 battles (i don't know if it had won any before this while elite)...

a new leader was created. So i have 2.

The issue wasn't having two leaders during the course of the game, it was having them simultaneously. I have had numerous leader generate armies at once (end of the game, nothing left to build) If I am misreading, my apologies.

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Originally posted by Redstar
In all my conquering, the most improvements that have remained have been 3-4. This is when there is only 1 troop defending the enemy city. Usually I am only left with 1 or no improvements.

The reason you have this problem is because all of the culture buildings are destroyed when you capture it: temples cathedrals, etc. all that remains are marketplaces, granaries, factories, etc.

Redstar · April 30, 2002, 09:24

sorry i ment to stress...that i do have 2 leaders at once,...in the form of armies.

But if ya ment leaders without having changed them into armies, then i think i have prooved you can only have 1 untransformed leader at a time.

I also realize there is a more difficult time without cultural buildings..my point was that it is now much harder than it was when at war.

If i make peace with the enemy...its like going from night to day.
All of a sudden everyone is happy. This is quite a radical departure from the more middle of the road dynamics we had before.

ANd, i would also still like to know why so many buildings are destroyed compared to civ2...

asleepathewheel · April 30, 2002, 14:04

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Originally posted by Redstar
sorry i ment to stress...that i do have 2 leaders at once,...in the form of armies.

But if ya ment leaders without having changed them into armies, then i think i have prooved you can only have 1 untransformed leader at a time.

yes. as many armies as your civ can support and one Gl at a time.

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Originally posted by Redstar
ANd, i would also still like to know why so many buildings are destroyed compared to civ2...

because of the culture system. You don't want a city that you capture to keep producing another civs culture, do you? And you need to build that temple so that the borders expand.

Redstar · April 30, 2002, 14:44

i build a temple as soon as i'm allowed of course.

but no..i want the cultural buildings to produce my culture when i take it over

Its a pain to have to rebuild a 26 city from almost scratch

and ya,,,Its called assimilation.

Redstar · May 1, 2002, 22:45

just want to add..that after playing some more...i am now getting up to 7 buildings left (even after nuking and going through 3 units)

so i guess its just a question of randomness like the other situations.

The culture is so much better than the last patch as is the corruption to more than balance ...

So ..looks like i take it all back now. this thread does not exist