High School Panty Raid!

[Saint Marcus]

it was on CNN even.

They interviewed a girl who went to the party. She agreed with what was done cause "some girls weren't dressed to go to a prom, they were dressed as hookers".

[Guynemer]

Well, it's official.

I have now heard everything.

Anyway, I agree with what many have said; forget getting fired. Those two women need to be locked up; that is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, sexual assault.

[Boris Godunov]

I think firing is enough. As bad as this incident is, AH has a good point--it is highly doubtful Wilson's intent was sexual molestation. It sounds to me more like overzealous rule keeping.

[our_man]

Only in America, huh?

This woman - it's hards to believe that she acted out of anything other than pure maliciousness. She should lose her job; she needs to go see and a psychiatrist. Why didn't someone stop her? Were they too busy enjoying the show?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by our_man
Why didn't someone stop her? Were they too busy enjoying the show?

A student did complain to a teacher about the searches but he was told, "What can I do? She's my boss."

[Guynemer]

Intent is irrelevant. This was a sexual assault; perhaps one of "low degree", but an assault nonetheless (unless California's sexual assault laws are significantly different than Michigan's). Intent of molestation or not, she knew what she was doing was wrong. She deserves to serve time for this.

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse


Many schools have an underwear dress code, mainly conservative private girls ones.

Spend a lot of time at those?

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Guynemer
Intent is irrelevant. This was a sexual assault; perhaps one of "low degree", but an assault nonetheless (unless California's sexual assault laws are significantly different than Michigan's). Intent of molestation or not, she knew what she was doing was wrong. She deserves to serve time for this.

No wonder the prisons in the US are so full. They should just get the cops back in and inspect her underwear in front of the entire school at the next opportunity.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by MikeH


No wonder the prisons in the US are so full. They should just get the cops back in and inspect her underwear in front of the entire school at the next opportunity.

I agree that this is not something worth clogging our prisons with. A fine at the most, but I really think firing will be enough, especially given the (understandably) hostile environment she will now have to live with from the community!

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Guynemer
Intent is irrelevant.

Not according to the U.S. Judicial System. Why else would we delineate between first degree murder and manslaughter?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Not according to the U.S. Judicial System. Why else would we delineate between first degree murder and manslaughter?

Is there a first and second degree sexual assault?

[Zkribbler]

I may not know what I'm talking about (ooh, like that would be a first), but to me it looks like an assault and invasion of privacy. I'm pretty sure sexual assault requires a touching of certain areas of the body.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by DinoDoc


Is there a first and second degree sexual assault?

I don't know if they are labeled as such, but I am reasonably sure there are varying degrees of assualt, sexual assault, etc. (also depends on local laws, I guess)

[Wraith]

Just another example of stupid public education tricks. Occasionally they take a couple steps forward when they can only get away with one. Makes you wonder if they're really about educating kids or if they're trying to get them used to a full blown police state all the time. This whole "kids have less rights than prisoners" attidute pisses me off.

If I were one of those parents, the people involved would certainly be finding themselves in court on criminal charges.

Although I'm surprised the toga-checking thing went on that far. I can just see a high-school guy, being asked to prove he's wearing underwear, make a comment about the asker wanting to wrap her lips around his love muscle.

I also have to wonder what they did to students who answered no to the question "Are you wearing underwear?".

Wraith
"Ben, your alibi has been roasted, they can establish motive and your blood may have Laura’s fingerprints on it. As your attorney, your friend and your brother, I strongly suggest you get a better lawyer."
-- Jerry ("Twin Peaks")

[Dis]

sexual assault? what kind of weed are you guys smoking? and can I have some?

This isn't sexual assault!!!! At most it is a invasion of privacy. She should definately lose her job and maybe undergo counseling. But that is it. Hey at least she didn't stick her hand down the girl's pants.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Dissident
This isn't sexual assault!!!! At most it is a invasion of privacy. .

I spent some time with the California Penal Code today...

It's not a sexual battery, which requires touching an intimate area of the body. And it's not a battery, which is an infliction of a injury through violence,or an assault, which is an attempt with a present ability to inflict a injury through violence.

It does appear to be a violation of Penal Code § 314(2), lewd or obscene conduct, which involves someone who "procures, counsels or assists" any person in exposing their person.

Her real punishment is going to come from:
(a) losing her job -- which you can just bet is going to happen and
(b) the avalanche of civil lawsuits which is about to hit her

[Sava]

Let's find out where this vice-principal lives, I'd like to shake my undercarriage in her face. (damm I gotta lay off the booze)

[Ned]

The simple answer to this outrage is to sue. Ned

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by MikeH


Spend a lot of time at those?

As a matter of fact the girls side of the high school I went to had an underwear code and yes, the girls were inspected.

They could have saved a lot time just by asking us

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

For the benefit of those posters with a serious grudge against Christianity, and the Roman Catholic church in particular, it looks like a new cultural war crime has just been revealed.

They educated Alexander's Horse.

[Skanky Burns]

[korn469]

Intent is irrelevant. This was a sexual assault; perhaps one of "low degree", but an assault nonetheless (unless California's sexual assault laws are significantly different than Michigan's). Intent of molestation or not, she knew what she was doing was wrong. She deserves to serve time for this.

Guynemer

how out of touch with reality are you? the only people they should lock up are those who are an actual threat to society...

i think that she deserves to lose her job for bad judgement, and even be sued for it, but she shouldn't serve a second in jail, i am positive that in some sick way she was actually trying to prevent a repeat of the previous year

what's the big deal? they were forced to show their underware, there is alot worse thing that can happen in life

if you want to be outraged at something, fume at this

http://www.msnbc.com/news/725802.asp

Olga winced as she drew back the bandage on her right breast, revealing an infected puncture wound that hadn’t healed since a man bit her in a fit of sexual rage. But the wound, for which the 19-year-old Moldovan lacked even basic medicine, is only a small part of Olga’s daily agony. For more than a year she has been held as a sex slave in this town in western Macedonia, where human trafficking flourishes and young girls are forced to endure the sexual whims of thousands of men.
SITTING IN a brothel bedroom in Velesta, a town synonymous with forced prostitution that police and experts consider one of the most dangerous places in Europe, Olga said that her “owner” would kill her for telling a reporter about her state of captivity. But the cruel conditions under which she is held, and her deteriorating mental and physical health, compelled her to speak out.
Her head hung in shame, Olga’s dark brown eyes welled with tears. She brushed back her long black hair, revealing a fair complexion flushed with anger at her fate. “There is only one word for this,” she said. “Slavery.”
Forced to have sex with as many as 10 men every day, Olga and other women clandestinely interviewed by MSNBC.com as part of a four-month investigation into the sex trade in Europe, insisted that their real identities not be revealed.
Their fears are not unfounded. Those brave enough to seek help have been savagely beaten — and sometimes killed — for trying to escape.

FLOURISHING SEX TRADE
Olga is one small cog in a huge transnational industry, and Macedonia is merely a way station on a path to bondage that begins in impoverished Eastern Europe and the chaotic states that emerged from the collapse of the Soviet Union, and stretches to Western Europe, the Middle East and beyond.
In Europe alone, officials estimate that more than 200,000 women and girls — one-quarter of all women trafficked globally — are smuggled out of Central and Eastern Europe and the former Soviet republics each year, the bulk of whom end up working as enslaved prostitutes. Almost half are transported to Western Europe. Roughly a quarter end up in the United States. Human rights activists say the numbers do not tell the full story, because most women remain silent rather than turn to frequently corrupt authorities for help.
The rapid rise of this sex slave trade can be traced to the fall of the Soviet Union, where borders once heavily guarded by the Red Army suddenly became porous and Soviet republics and Eastern European satellites once in the Kremlin’s grasp saw their industries and subsidies collapse overnight. Millions of young women like Olga came of age amid this economic misery. Their childhood fantasies of a better life in the West soon became a human trafficker’s golden opportunity.

MOLDOVA’S MISERY
Nowhere is this trafficking worse than it is in Moldova, Olga’s home, where experts estimate that since the fall of the Soviet Union between 200,000 and 400,000 women have been sold into prostitution — perhaps up to 10 percent of the female population.
The numbers are staggering, but for Liuba Revenko of the International Organization for Migration in Moldova the bondage of the country’s young women has become routine. “Moldovans are a hybrid population of Russians, Jews, Ukrainians and Bulgarians,” Revenko said. “That creates a special race of women that are beautiful and in demand. They have no future. They are a good target for the traffickers.”
In Velesta, a town so small that the 120 Moldovan girls working as prostitutes there make up a sizeable part of the population, the sex slaves are rarely seen during the day. Kept under lock and key in the back rooms of a dozen “kafane,” or café-bars that double as brothels, they are summoned by their owners when a customer arrives. Then the girls, most in their late teens or early 20s, are paraded in skimpy lingerie before clients who “pick us according to their tastes,” said Irina, a Moldovan who answered a want-ad to be a waitress in Italy, but ended up trapped in a Balkans brothel instead of working in a restaurant in southern Sicily.
Rural Moldovan women, lacking education and desperate to escape, are easy targets, activists say. Sometimes the bondage is built around a debt that is impossible to pay off. Other times, it is simply brutal captivity.
They end up servicing clients with the false hope of working off a “debt” to their owners, who continue to entice them with real jobs in Europe.

UNWITTING VICTIMS
The women’s tales of bondage are hauntingly similar. Olga, the Moldovan with the breast wound, was virtually kidnapped when she played hooky from school in rural Moldova. Initially, she was drawn to the prospect of a new life in Italy — far away from her alcoholic mother and abusive brother. But the next thing she knew, a Serb smuggler called “Dragan” was pulling her out of a car trunk in the Romanian town of Timisoara, on the border with Yugoslavia. Dragan and his Romanian pals loaded 10 girls on a boat to cross the Danube. After a few days in a basement near Belgrade, Olga was led across the Serbian frontier with Macedonia — under the eyes of obliging border guards — and brought to Velesta. “There were clients on the very first night,” she said.
With no passport and little idea where she was, Olga was raped, beaten into submission and humiliated until she no longer had the will to challenge her horrible fate.



“Meti made me clean the toilet with my tongue. It was horrible and dirty. I think they did it because I was the newest girl,” Olga said of her ethnic Albanian owner. “He made me lick another girl’s … you know, down there. And then he laughed.”
Young and beautiful, Olga has stayed in Velesta longer than most trafficked women, many of whom are moved on into Albania and Greece after the local population “breaks them in or gets tired of them,” Olga said. Once they reach the Albanian coast, they are easily trafficked to Italy, where the European Union’s lax border controls allow them to be smuggled deep inside the continent.

BILLIONS IN PROFITS
Ten years of wars in the Balkans have turned the region into a trafficking highway paved with lawlessness and corruption that has prompted former enemies — Bosnian Muslims, Serbs and ethnic Albanians — to set aside ethnic rivalries in the name of vast profits. “You’re talking about big international organizations,” said Rudolf Perina, a former U.S. ambassador to Moldova who was involved in Washington-funded anti-trafficking efforts.

Ethnic Albanian rebels in Kosovo, Macedonia and south Serbia — long the masters of drug running in the Balkans — are deeply involved in the human smuggling business, using the flesh trade to fund their separatist movements.
Luisa, a 32-year-old single Moldovan mother whose neighbor persuaded her to accept a job in Italy and “marry a rich Roman,” found herself repeatedly raped by her “owner,” Bojku Dilaver, an ethnic Albanian trafficking kingpin from Velesta. European law enforcement officials say Dilaver, one of the sex trade’s “Most Wanted,” has used cash and, reportedly, contacts with ethnic Albanian rebels to avoid arrest for years. “He bought me for $700,” Luisa said.
She was freed in a police raid on Velesta, after MSNBC.com confronted Macedonia’s interior minister, Ljube Boskovski, with tales of sex slavery only a few hours’ drive from his office in the capital of Skopje.
But Olga and other women who took great risk to speak about their predicament were nowhere to be found.
The Macedonian SWAT team that raided bars called Coca Cola, Safari and Bela Dona was only partly successful.
Tipped off to the raids, brothel owners had spirited girls out secret exits in the backrooms of the bars and hidden them in the woods behind the buildings. The sheets on the beds were still warm. With the exception of a few minor pimps, the kingpins like Dilaver escaped.

LACK OF LAWS
The raid on Velesta was the first by Macedonian police, long wary of upsetting the uneasy peace between the country’s Macedonian Slavs and ethnic Albanian minority.
Even Boskovski admitted his own policemen were on the smugglers’ payroll, making it virtually impossible to surprise the traffickers and rescue their sex slaves. Boskovski also complained about a lack of laws to keep traffickers behind bars. “The punishments are not really severe,” he said.
In an interview with MSNBC.com, Vitalie Curarari, the head of Moldova’s anti-trafficking police, lashed out at the media for “sensationalizing” sex slavery and placed much of the blame for trafficking on the women themselves. “Fifty percent of our women just go abroad to find another man and then come back to divorce their husbands,” Curarari said.

IN THE HEART OF EUROPE

Farther along the trafficking pipeline, hundreds of women and girls are smuggled into Europe every day and forced onto the streets of cities like Hamburg, Paris, London and Amsterdam.
Amsterdam, a city synonymous with hedonism, is perhaps best known for its legalized sex industry, in which prostitutes pay taxes and undergo regular health exams. The city’s Red Light District is a virtual Disneyland of sex — with only European Union passport holders allowed to ply the trade.
But only a few miles’ drive from the city center, traditional Dutch tolerance is helping fuel the trafficking problem. In Theemsweg, a fenced-in, football field-sized parking lot built by the government for unregulated sex workers, girls sit in bus shelters — also courtesy of the government — waiting for clients. There are no EU citizens here — and the prostitutes’ countries of origin are strikingly familiar: Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus, Romania, Bulgaria, Czech Republic. On weekends, men looking for cheap sex wait in cars that back up for a mile. Sexual encounters, which take place right in the cars, cost $20.

SMUGGLED INTO EUROPE
Asked how she got to Theemsweg, 20-year-old Anna from Russia’s Far East said, “You don’t want to know.” Dutch police officials, speaking privately, estimate that as many as 70 percent of the prostitutes in the Netherlands are working illegally, using false documents provided by smugglers to skirt Dutch and European laws.
With the women facing poor odds, activists are working overtime to try to thwart traffickers and rescue some of the thousands of sex slaves in Europe. The International Organization for Migration, backed by U.S. funding, has managed to return only 400 of the perhaps hundreds of thousands of Moldovan women victimized by the sex trade. Activist are beating a path to rural areas to educate young girls about the dangers of the trade.
Twenty-one-year-old Natasha, a single mother, considers herself one of the lucky ones. She escaped Velesta, where her clients included NATO soldiers from Germany, France, Britain and the United States who were stationed in Macedonia for peacekeeping duties.
It was an Albanian client who took pity on Natasha and bought her from her owner for 5,000 Deutsche Marks, about $2,500. “Yes, I’m back in Moldova, but it’s difficult,” she said in a village three hours north of the Moldovan capital, Chisinau. “We do not have money to buy bread. We do not have money to pay for the electricity.”
For Olga, tending to her sore breast in captivity, anything sounds better than Velesta. “What kind of animal can do this to me?” she demanded, tears streaming down her face. “All of Macedonia is filled with girls like me, and we’re all crying.”

or is that not a big deal since it doesn't involve wealthy kids from the US?

[Triped]

That is absolutely horrible.

[our_man]

That really is sickening to read korn, but while what happened to the girls in the school cannot compare to what happened to that women in the article, it was awful nonetheless.

The woman involved in the shool shouldn't be charged with sexual assault, as she was not driven to perform her actions out of any sexual manner, but rather out of a bizarre streak of puritanism. It would be interesting to know however if there were any other such incidences like this in her life, or was this simply an exception?

[Sava]

Geee, what a surprise. The Albanians are behind some of that.

[Guynemer]

I'm sorry folks, but YES, this IS a sexual assault. The vice principal instructed students to lift their skirts or pull down their tops, or she would do it for them--AND SHE DID. THAT is unwanted SEXUAL touching, according to the law. Is it rape? NO. But it is illegal, and she deserves to face the penalty for her actions.

This stuff isn't the reason why our prisons are overcrowded. Jailing drug users is the reason our prisons are overcrowded. They don't belong there. This sick ***** does.

[our_man]

So Guynemer, by your definition of sexual assault, a police officer who could be searching a suspect and is required to check certain areas would be commiting sexual assault? Ridiculous. The intention is important in establishing guilt.

[Guynemer]

Bollocks. This wasn't a policeman with a search warrant. This was a vice prinicpal undressing 16-year-olds to look at their underwear.

If you honestly can't see the difference, then I'm wasting my time.

[Guynemer]

Korn, I can be outraged and whatever I goddamn well please. Yes, that is horrible, and should be stopped. But kindly allow me to be outraged about pedophiles in positions of power in my country, thank you.

[our_man]

So if she had a search warrant it would have been OK to look at their underwear! Glad you cleared that up.