Auto-Raze

HazieDaVampire · May 4, 2002, 09:14

Any idea why you somtimes have an option to raze, or install a new governer, and somtimes it'll just raze giving you no choice.

Jethro83 · May 4, 2002, 09:35

Generally, Size 1 towns are automatically razed (unless they are the capital) and I'm guessing that wonders also play a part there.

Any city above size 1 gives you the options.

Captain · May 4, 2002, 10:38

I believe it is size 1 towns with NO culture are automatically razed. I am not sure whether there is a higher limit. some have said that you have to wait for the 1st border expansion (10cp), otherwise it will be razed. Higher sizes always give options, as LordAzreal said.

HazieDaVampire · May 4, 2002, 10:41

It's not the first border expansion, i can tell you that. I've got some of the enemys citys that havn't expanded to 10cp

Solver · May 4, 2002, 10:46

Cities of size 1 and without culture are razed.

Boris Godunov · May 4, 2002, 13:32

Ya know, the point here is...we should be able to disable that. What if I want to keep every town I seize, regardless of size?

lockstep · May 4, 2002, 13:43

Maybe this would encourage early conquest too much? (IIRC, this feature was in v1.07f and disabled later.)

Boris Godunov · May 4, 2002, 14:07

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Originally posted by lockstep
Maybe this would encourage early conquest too much? (IIRC, this feature was in v1.07f and disabled later.)

Perhaps, but why not give the player the choice of whether or not to enable or disable that feature? Isn't Firaxis all about giving us options?

Solver · May 4, 2002, 14:53

It was disabled to prevent an exploit: following AI settlers with military units and getting free cities.

Grrr · May 4, 2002, 16:11

I agree with Solver. That is the reasoning behind the feature, which is, as Solver described it before.

zulu9812 · May 4, 2002, 16:34

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Ya know, the point here is...we should be able to disable that. What if I want to keep every town I seize, regardless of size?

Every time you take over a city, it knocks off 1 population point, thus knocking 1 pop.point off a size-1 city will destroy it. This is to simulate the destruction wreaked by an invading army - there's gonna be some damage. Makes sense to me.

lockstep · May 4, 2002, 16:40

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Originally posted by zulu9812
Every time you take over a city, it knocks off 1 population point, thus knocking 1 pop.point off a size-1 city will destroy it.

You're talking about Civ2?

zulu9812 · May 4, 2002, 16:41

You what? Obviously I'm talking about civ3.

ixnay · May 4, 2002, 16:45

That's not how it works in civ3...

Civ2, yeah, but not civ3

lockstep · May 4, 2002, 16:49

As far as I know (and I may be wrong), city population is not affected by conquest in Civ3, and you have the option to keep a city if it is either at least size 2 or already has produced culture.

EDIT: thanks, ixnay

HazieDaVampire · May 4, 2002, 16:55

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Originally posted by zulu9812

Every time you take over a city, it knocks off 1 population point, thus knocking 1 pop.point off a size-1 city will destroy it. This is to simulate the destruction wreaked by an invading army - there's gonna be some damage. Makes sense to me.

Well, it should only simulate the havoc of an invading army if the city has defensive units! Its must be a simple ‘safety’ feature like Solver explained.

zulu9812 · May 4, 2002, 17:40

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Originally posted by ixnay37
That's not how it works in civ3...

Civ2, yeah, but not civ3

Nope, it's definately the case with Civ3 as well - I just tested it in-game. 15 Knight took size 4 Rome, knocked it down to size 3. Simple as that.

zulu9812 · May 5, 2002, 08:07

Anyone disagree? It'd be best to get this right.

lockstep · May 5, 2002, 10:03

I'm starting a game right now, and will take a close look at the population/conquest issue.

HazieDaVampire · May 5, 2002, 10:31

the manual say you can take citys of size 1

Grrr · May 5, 2002, 15:32

Don't forget the many mistakes in the manual.

ixnay · May 5, 2002, 16:59

It was changed like this in one of the patches, I believe...

zulu9812 · May 6, 2002, 07:52

It must have been one of the early ones (i.e. 1.16f), coz I can't remember ever being able to take a size 1 city without destroying it, and what with the UK release being later than the US I'd have been palying with that first patch almost straight way.