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View Poll Results: What to do when we get Democracy
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Get Democracy, become a Democracy
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Get Democracy, build SoL and become Communist
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Get Democracy, stay Monarchy for now
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Get Democracy, throw bananas at the Egyptians
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May 6, 2002, 20:35
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Emperor
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When We Learn "Democracy"...
We are going to discover Democracy one of these days. When we do, should we become one, or do we want it only for SoL and Communism?
Monarchy is becoming awkward to handle (corruption, unhappiness). Republic is often not very much of a help. When we discover Democracy, should we change to it (in an Oedo year), or should we wait for the opportunity of Communism through SoL? As current President, I advise you that unhappiness problems are showing up again, but we also have too many military units for Democracy to work out well either.
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May 6, 2002, 20:42
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King
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SoL and communist, we are going to war and we dont need the senate interfearing.
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May 6, 2002, 21:38
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That's a good thought. But Democracy offers some advantages. Production and research are astonishing, for example. But Communism is advantageous, too.
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May 7, 2002, 08:12
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Prince
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We must be an democratic democracy! That is the poicy for the moment of the head of the foreign office, your great Foreign Minister - adamsj!
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May 7, 2002, 08:25
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Deity
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"2001: A Space Odyssey" or "Platoon"?
Perhaps the biggest question to ask is -- Are we planning a military victory, or are we shooting for the stars?
The following assumes a war footing...
If at all possible, we should spend a few turns (maybe 8) as a Democracy with heavy luxuries, create WLTKDs and grow our cities to size 8 or more. That will give us the production we need to feed the war machine.  Granted, with all our troops, this will take some planning.
Then, switch to Commie  or Fundie  and Stomp The Competition!! 
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May 7, 2002, 08:30
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King
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Originally posted by cavebear
That's a good thought. But Democracy offers some advantages. Production and research are astonishing, for example. But Communism is advantageous, too.
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 production???...when we go now to Democracy that's one of the things we won't have anymore(next to happy ppl)
-->go demo= get 200%(+50 trade from corruption +50trade from extra arrows) more income + need 150%(=half we have)of the income to keep ppl happy+we lose 80% of our production= 0 progress
(+ we can't wage a decent war)
--> go Commie= get 100% more income + no more happynessproblems + no productionloss= profit
Do we want profit and progress or lose and a nice path into oblivion???
Shade
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May 7, 2002, 11:06
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commie...although fundie would be nice too
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May 7, 2002, 17:08
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King
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nice for fast war...but we need the science...
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May 7, 2002, 19:36
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Originally posted by shade
production???...when we go now to Democracy that's one of the things we won't have anymore(next to happy ppl)
-->go demo= get 200%(+50 trade from corruption +50trade from extra arrows) more income + need 150%(=half we have)of the income to keep ppl happy+we lose 80% of our production= 0 progress
(+ we can't wage a decent war)
--> go Commie= get 100% more income + no more happynessproblems + no productionloss= profit
Do we want profit and progress or lose and a nice path into oblivion???
Shade
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I was mentioning Democracy in general terms. We have far too many military units to survive being a Democracy in this game with our current levels of production, and we wouldn't be able to fight a war, either.
Mainly, I wanted to make sure what people expected me to do with Democracy once we got it.
BTW, nice description of the calculations involved. I didn't know the exact factors.
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May 7, 2002, 22:48
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Deity
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La Internacional
Arriba, parias de la Tierra.
En pie, famélica legión.
Atruena la razón en marcha,
es el fin de la opresión.
Del pasado hay que hacer añicos,
legión esclava en pie a vencer,
el mundo va a cambiar de base,
los nada de hoy todo han de ser.
Agrupémonos todos,
en la lucha final.
El género humano
es la internacional.
(bis)
Ni en dioses, reyes ni tribunos,
está el supremo salvador.
Nosotros mismos realicemos
el esfuerzo redentor.
Para hacer que el tirano caiga
y el mundo siervo liberar,
soplemos la potente fragua
que el hombre libre ha de forjar.
Agrupémonos todos,
en la lucha final.
El género humano
es la internacional.
(bis)
La ley nos burla y el Estado
oprime y sangra al productor.
Nos da derechos irrisorios,
no hay deberes del señor.
Basta ya de tutela odiosa,
que la igualdad ley ha de ser,
no más deberes sin derechos,
ningún derecho sin deber.
Agrupémonos todos,
en la lucha final.
El género humano
es la internacional.
(bis)
Last edited by MarkG; May 9, 2002 at 06:16.
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May 8, 2002, 05:00
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We need to be democractic democracy for propaganda!
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May 8, 2002, 15:09
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as long as we are at war communism
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May 9, 2002, 04:33
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Deity
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WHATTHEHELL????
Why is it that on this thread some weird patriotic music plays? Do we have a national anthem?? Does Apolyton???
AM I GOING INSANE?!?!?!?!?! 
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May 9, 2002, 06:17
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El Awrence, no midi files please
thank you
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May 9, 2002, 07:47
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Prince
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We need to be democratic Democracy game for propaganda!
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May 9, 2002, 08:41
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Deity
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That was YOU, El Awrence?!
Wow.
/me looks at the Argentinian with a little newfound respect. Not much, but some nonetheless
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May 9, 2002, 11:51
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yep it was...that's why many of the forums turn off html
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