BOOM! Terract in Rishon Le Zion

Sirotnikov · May 7, 2002, 16:26

UPDATE

Bomb in some sort of an event hall in an Industry and Event Halls neighbourhoods in Rishon Le Zion near Tel-Aviv.

40+ Injured.
20 Dead. (unconfirmed)

4 Story building stands, but 3 bottomn floors collapsed in the inside.

Reports say that terrorist came from Gaza.

Gaza was not touched in Defensive Shield operation.

I imagine that will change in the next couple of days.

Sirotnikov · May 7, 2002, 16:29

PM Sharon is now about to finish his meeting, and still doesn't know about this, though his team does.

Soon there'll be a press conference.

Israel is surprised that it hapenned so quick (again, assuming it is a terror act) since dozens, literally dozens of terracts were prevented using IDF incursions.

It happenned some 30 minutes ago, 23:00 local time.

Eli · May 7, 2002, 16:32

Now it's confirmed. A suicide bomber. The pool club is not sure, maybe it's an illegal casino or a wedding hall.

The ceiling collapsed and there are people trapped inside. Some were killed.

The good thing is that it's not a mega-teract like the one prevented a week ago when the Pals wanted to destroy the Azrieli towers in Tel Aviv. The highest skyscrapers in the Middle East. Israel fears that they want a "special" revenge, and not a regular teract, so there was a lot of talking about a possible "mega teract" ala 9/11.

Sirotnikov · May 7, 2002, 16:34

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Sirotnikov · May 7, 2002, 16:35

. watch the top of the thread for the update

Sirotnikov · May 7, 2002, 16:38

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Sirotnikov · May 7, 2002, 16:40

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Sirotnikov · May 7, 2002, 16:42

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Sirotnikov · May 7, 2002, 16:44

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Ecthy · May 7, 2002, 16:47

2 dead? 40 dead?

besides, coul you do that in one single post that gets updated now and again?

Sirotnikov · May 7, 2002, 16:51

40 injured.

ok, i'll do that, ecthelion

Ecthy · May 7, 2002, 16:52

For some reason I took "casualties" as "dead"...

Where in Israel is that place (is it actually there?)?

Eli · May 7, 2002, 16:54

15+ killed.

Another body probably belongs to the suicide bomber.

Sirotnikov · May 7, 2002, 16:55

Close to Tel Aviv. It's a suburb of sort.

Eli · May 7, 2002, 17:09

unconfirmed

20 killed.

There is a theory saying that the bomber came from Gaza. If this is true, Israel may reconquer and "clean" the city. Just like was done in Judea&Samaria during "Defensive Shield".

laurentius · May 7, 2002, 17:10

awful

Ecthy · May 7, 2002, 17:12

The figure is growing terribly high... too bad some never learn, but then it might be even worse that that won't go without retaliation...

(sidenote: as in '20 people is enough' not as in 'jews are less of a loss than pals', just to avoid misunderstandings)

Sirotnikov · May 7, 2002, 17:26

ecthlion, i understand your sentiments.

laurentius, thanks.

laurentius · May 7, 2002, 17:29

Yeah well, I just thought to say I dont enjoy these things either, as it clearly was against civilians.

good night

Jaakko · May 7, 2002, 17:30

More pointless deaths of innocent people...

I just hope Eli's prediction of massive retaliation doesn't come true, that would be like saying "keep up the good work!" to the terrorists.

Ecthy · May 7, 2002, 17:30

I hope my point was clearly enough put... good night lau

Sirotnikov · May 7, 2002, 17:31

that's nice to hear, laurentius.

good night.

Eli · May 7, 2002, 17:31

Quote:

Originally posted by Jaakko
I just hope Eli's prediction of massive retaliation doesn't come true, that would be like saying "keep up the good work!" to the terrorists.

How do you explain : "Defensive Shiled" = a month of quiet?

Sirotnikov · May 7, 2002, 17:33

Jaakko - you're wrong.

If we clean Gaza now, then I guess there would be virtually no terror for at least 2 - 3 months.

Jaakko · May 7, 2002, 17:34

The terrorists just regrouped, but you can rest assured this time they have much more recruits than before.

Sirotnikov · May 7, 2002, 17:34

Jaakko -> fighting hitler = rewarding him?

Jaakko · May 7, 2002, 17:36

No, I'm just talking about short term versus long term interests.

Eli · May 7, 2002, 17:36

Quote:

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Jaakko - you're wrong.

If we clean Gaza now, then I guess there would be virtually no terror for at least 2 - 3 months.

No. Gaza will reduce terror in the long range, not in the short one. It's fenced, so it's very hard to infiltrate to Israel so you'll see less shootings and mortar fire but not decrease in terror inside Israel.
What you have in Gaza is the leading terrorists of all organizations, the scientists who develop the Palestinian rockets and the political leaders.

Jaakko · May 7, 2002, 17:43

You're talking like they can't be replaced Eli.

The long term solution is in politics, not military action. Anything else is just wishful thinking.

But I feel kinda bad for starting another standard ME squabble again, especially just after a teract. Sorry...

Jon Miller · May 7, 2002, 18:12

hmm

fighting hitler (or Japenese) = short term solution

making peace = long term??

I don't think so (I know there are some like Che who disagree)

Jon Miller

(how in the world do you disagree Che)