Military Support Costs

zulu9812 · May 12, 2002, 03:40

Does anyone else think that having to pay support costs for workers really sucks?

Sean · May 12, 2002, 04:01

No, not really. Whats your major gripe/problem with having to pay?

asleepathewheel · May 12, 2002, 04:04

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Originally posted by zulu9812
Does anyone else think that having to pay support costs for workers really sucks?

but the way to get around this is by grabbing other civs workers, then feeding yours back into cities.

and no, I don't think that paying for the native's upkeep sucks, since they are units, and they are actually doing more work than the garrisons ever do. don't they deserve pay for their hard work?

Skanky Burns · May 12, 2002, 04:17

They deserve pay. They work twice as fast as captured workers, so theres gotta be a trade-off for using them.

zulu9812 · May 12, 2002, 04:58

See, I always thought that the reason for the support costs was to make you think twice about having a huge army, not thinking twice about improving the terain.

Akka · May 12, 2002, 08:00

I don't really see why native workers should/would NOT be paid...

notyoueither · May 12, 2002, 08:02

Commies are everywhere!

nato · May 12, 2002, 08:45

If shields spent to build the unit represent equipping it (like giving it weapons and stuff), and if gold upkeep costs represent feeding and maintaining it ... then it makes sense to me that an entire unit of population costs as much to feed and maintain as a relatively small unit of troops. Maybe they should even cost more.

Just how I see it though.

Flanker · May 12, 2002, 11:11

I actually think that the building cost for workers are a little bit to low. 20 or maybe even 30 shields might be more accurate. And no, I defenitly don´t think it´s bad to pay for workers, without them your empire wouldn´t be much worth. It takes just a few turns to build a road, and with the commerce from that road you pay the upkeep for your workers really fast.

Panag · May 12, 2002, 13:51

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Originally posted by zulu9812
Does anyone else think that having to pay support costs for workers really sucks?

hi ,

you can change that in the editor , .....or change government , ....

have a nice day

zulu9812 · May 12, 2002, 13:59

i know it's possible to alter support costs in the editor under governments, but is it possible to exempt workers and settlers from supoort costs, but keep support costs for military units?

Panag · May 12, 2002, 14:11

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Originally posted by zulu9812
i know it's possible to alter support costs in the editor under governments, but is it possible to exempt workers and settlers from supoort costs, but keep support costs for military units?

hi ,

yep , .....

and you can even give a population cost to a unit , ....

have a nice day

zulu9812 · May 12, 2002, 14:17

how? I looked in the editor; i can change the support costs in the editor under governments, but i can't find anything about making specific units exempt

Panag · May 12, 2002, 14:24

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Originally posted by zulu9812
how? I looked in the editor; i can change the support costs in the editor under governments, but i can't find anything about making specific units exempt

hi ,

units - editor

have a nice day

zulu9812 · May 12, 2002, 14:29

i can see how to give a population cost in units, but not making it exempt from support costs. Is it a unit ability (the 'unused' flag perhaps)?

Inverse Icarus · May 12, 2002, 14:51

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Originally posted by zulu9812
Does anyone else think that having to pay support costs for workers really sucks?

you dont pay for slaves. you stupid builders suck anyway

Akka · May 12, 2002, 16:13

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Originally posted by zulu9812
i can see how to give a population cost in units, but not making it exempt from support costs. Is it a unit ability (the 'unused' flag perhaps)?

The "unused" flag is for "mounted unit", and was removed in 1.21 'cause it was not used anywhere.
You can't change to support cost on a unit-per-unit basis. Panag is probably simply mixing the support cost with the production cost.

zulu9812 · May 12, 2002, 17:22

ah right, thx anyway

Panag · May 12, 2002, 17:58

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Originally posted by Akka le Vil

The "unused" flag is for "mounted unit", and was removed in 1.21 'cause it was not used anywhere.
You can't change to support cost on a unit-per-unit basis. Panag is probably simply mixing the support cost with the production cost.

hi ,

well checked it , we should ask firaxis to put in a screen with units so that one unit cost's 1 gold an an other 2 a turn , .....

have a nice day

ChaotikVisions · May 12, 2002, 23:36

I think you should, cause its not just paying wages, its also providing the eqiupment and such for the workers. Those picks and shovels don't grow on trees you know. :P Course, this can all be solved through waiting for one of your neighbors to get big citys, then razing them. If ya don't wanna kill him, just take out a few size 10+ citys, should give ya a decent workforce.

Captain · May 12, 2002, 23:58

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Originally posted by Akka le Vil

The "unused" flag is for "mounted unit", and was removed in 1.21 'cause it was not used anywhere.
You can't change to support cost on a unit-per-unit basis. Panag is probably simply mixing the support cost with the production cost.

right. so far we can't. i hope we can soon though. would be great to have, if not in patch, then in PTW.