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Oh well, I guess this means Harry Potter will now become our Prime Minister 
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May 15, 2002, 16:18
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Oh well, I guess this means Harry Potter will now become our Prime Minister
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Yep, but I don't see what there is to laugh about... And ain't it time to change your avatar?
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May 15, 2002, 16:18
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Damn Hueij, that sucks 
Ec, huh?
Harry Potter?
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May 15, 2002, 16:20
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IW, the way you put it it's a matter of the actual course a governing party takes. As a joke, I said it was a matter of the party's 'colour', its official affiliation and all that...
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May 15, 2002, 16:21
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Oh come on, Hueij, lighten up. I dislike CDA as well but the idea of having a wizard as PM is kinda funny in a way 
Jan Peter Balkenende aka Harry Potter:
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May 15, 2002, 16:21
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oh. oh yes. ho ho.  
Harry Potter?
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May 15, 2002, 16:22
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Damn Muggles. 
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May 15, 2002, 16:23
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don't be silly now
both of you
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May 15, 2002, 16:28
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Well by the sound of it, you shot the wrong man!
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May 15, 2002, 16:29
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Oh come on, Hueij, lighten up.
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Ja, you're right... But I was really shocked when I saw the first polls at 9 pm tonight... [dutch expression]The soup won't be eaten as hot as it was served[/dutch expression] But still...
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May 15, 2002, 16:32
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Well, they have been in every coalition government from 1918 to 1994, and according to the BBC:
It can't be so bad can it?
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It is, to those in this forum who think that leftists are, by definition, better people than Christian Democrats. That's not what I think, although I will probably never vote CD.
Melkert's and Rosenmöller's arrogance coming home to roost... A sight for sore eyes.
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May 15, 2002, 16:43
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Would someone please post the platform of the Christian Democrat party in the Netherlands? I'd like to find out for myself if they are @#$%ed.
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May 15, 2002, 16:54
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Would someone please post the platform of the Christian Democrat party in the Netherlands? I'd like to find out for myself if they are @#$%ed.
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If your Dutch is up to par: http://www.stemcda.nl/domains/cda/pa...3&navid=499_66
I hope you don't mind that I'm not going to translate all those pages
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May 15, 2002, 16:59
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Would someone please post the platform of the Christian Democrat party in the Netherlands? I'd like to find out for myself if they are @#$%ed.
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CDA is a union of three former Christian parties, one Roman Catholic, two Protestant.
In matters of economy they are a party of the centre, somewhere in the middle between the PvdA (Social Democrats) and the more conservative VVD, but with an important social paragraph, based on their Christian identity. Their left wing (mainly Protestants) have been known to be allies of the left, but there has always been a right wing which felt more attracted to the VVD, the main right-wing party.
Regarding euthanasia, abortion, gay rights, they are conservative, but never reactionary.
Explaining the CDA to Americans, I would say it can be situated somewhere in between the Democrats and the Republicans, but closer to the Democrats.
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May 15, 2002, 17:04
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Melkert's and Rosenmöller's arrogance coming home to roost...
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You work for Spong's office? 
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May 15, 2002, 17:05
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"Explaining the CDA to Americans, I would say it can be situated somewhere in between the Democrats and the Republicans, but closer to the Democrats."
An American shorthand is that they are "Reagan Democrats". By and large these are now Republicans and independents and make up 15-20% of the electorate.
So the CDA is slightly left of Germany's CDU?
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May 15, 2002, 17:06
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The right gains more power in Europe. 
Perhaps we shall start to see sounder economic policies as a result.
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May 15, 2002, 17:08
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Perhaps we shall start to see sounder economic policies as a result.
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Yep, let's all worship St Economy
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May 15, 2002, 17:18
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Explaining the CDA to Americans, I would say it can be situated somewhere in between the Democrats and the Republicans, but closer to the Democrats.
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Then why all the chicken little talk from your fellow countryman?
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May 15, 2002, 17:21
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[So the CDA is slightly left of Germany's CDU?
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Exactly!
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May 15, 2002, 17:27
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From the BBC news pages:
Exit polls:
Christian Democrats: 40
Pim Fortuyn List: 26
Labour Party: 24
VVD: 24
Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wor...00/1990159.stm
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May 15, 2002, 17:27
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Because his (this) fellow countryman is one of those "loony lefties"...
Anyway, the Socialist Party (most left wing party out here) doubled their seats in parliament
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May 15, 2002, 17:27
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"Christian Democrats? From what you describe that sounds like a real step backwards. If they try and take back your rights that you have fought for all this time, take to the streets!"
Isn't it funny how the far left always talks about how they believe in democracy and how they want to extend democracy to everything- but then when democracy gives them a result they don't like they can't accept it.
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May 15, 2002, 17:30
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but then when democracy gives them a result they don't like they can't accept it.
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BS... The left did't lose. The center did. Just remember your left isn't our left...
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May 15, 2002, 17:34
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I was reffering to Provost Harrison. He is far left, and he didn't like the results of the election, and so he advocates taking to the streets.
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May 15, 2002, 17:37
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Isn't it funny how the far left always talks about how they believe in democracy and how they want to extend democracy to everything- but then when democracy gives them a result they don't like they can't accept it.
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That is incredibly amusing.
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May 15, 2002, 17:39
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A democratic 'win' doesn't necessarily give a party the automatic right to rescind the rights and freedoms of its citizens. One of the basic tenets of a liberal democracy. If the government attempts it, the population are well within their rights to demonstrate against that government.
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May 15, 2002, 17:40
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Their view seems to be that, seeing as the Left is always right by definition, all others must be wrong, and probably bad, or mad, etc. To describe this kind of people (broadly the Politically Correct), Fortuyn coined the epiteth "de linkse kerk", the Leftist Church.
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May 15, 2002, 17:44
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I'm with the Provost on this one.
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May 15, 2002, 17:45
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I think people are over reacting, the CDA is not that bad I think. social are they centre just like the previous government was. I also woulnd't fair the moral somewhat conservative stance because you can't rule the nation allone and I don't know another party who shares there moral conservative ideology.
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