Korean UU Poll

siredgar · May 20, 2002, 22:46

My vote is for the Kobukson.

siredgar · May 20, 2002, 22:50

By the way, Hwarang literally means "Flower Knight" not "Archer".

monkspider · May 21, 2002, 02:00

I gotta go with the Turtleboat as well Sir Eddy

Jethro83 · May 21, 2002, 06:08

Definitely the Turtle Boat.

That was one of my favourite UUs in AOE2. It would be good to see it in Civ III as well.

Oerdin · May 21, 2002, 13:44

A unique unit should be unique. The turtle boat is while the fire cart was also used by the Chinese and Japanese.

Jon Shafer · May 21, 2002, 13:48

What exactly is the poll for?

There is a screenshot for the Hwacha, doesn't that mean that's what the unit will be?

Spiffor · May 21, 2002, 14:15

Trip : there's still hope that teh Hwacha is part of the Feudal Japan unit set, and that the Koreans (if included) have another Unit.
I don't think we'll have any influence on this though.

The Eliminator · May 21, 2002, 15:32

My vote is for the most plentiful unit in their country: The Starving Refugee.

JtheJackal · May 21, 2002, 16:05

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Originally posted by The Eliminator
My vote is for the most plentiful unit in their country: The Starving Refugee.

Thats only for the northern Koreans of course.

Jon Shafer · May 21, 2002, 17:19

In South Korea it would be Hyundai manufacturers.

And thanks Spiffor.

Thrawn05 · May 21, 2002, 23:08

The firecart sounds nice.

siredgar · May 22, 2002, 23:43

You're all worker ants in a Firaxis colony. Happiness with the status quo, eh? I wonder how many of those people who voted for the firecart have even seen a turtleboat.

Here's a picture of a restored model:

http://bh.kyungpook.ac.kr/~rkcho/images/gif/pps005.gif

It's also significant because it IS the world's first ironclad battleship at least 200 years before the U.S. version.

notyoueither · May 23, 2002, 01:14

And you're a twit who doesn't realize that disagreement with you is not a character flaw.

civman2000 · May 23, 2002, 11:43

He IS right, you know

. Turtleboats would definitely be the best possible korean UU

The Eliminator · May 23, 2002, 12:35

I have a new idea for a Korean UU: Accelerated Slaves. Whenever you go near their borders, a bunch of Korean workers just join your units, and they work extra hard. Bonuses apply for those who play Japan or China, who have used them as slaves for thousands of years.

Korea as a civ is a total crock.

siredgar · May 23, 2002, 18:30

Yes and the Canadian education system is apparently in shambles.

Spiffor · May 23, 2002, 19:18

Siredgar :
I didn't vote because I think the Hwacha and the Kobukson are equally good : both are more original than yet anoter land-unit UU.
I know what a Kobukson is, I've seen Yin26's thread on Korea, and I played AOKxp. But frankly, even if I know what it is, it's not a super duper unit which makes the others completely ireelevant. It's a valid choice, as the Hwacha is, nothing more - nothing less.

I couldn't agree more with NYE : you seem to see disagreement with you as a character flaw.
Don't forget : Firaxis tries to sell XP to the most possible people, meaning they try to please the majority. It's normal, then, if many of us are pleased with their choices.

siredgar · May 23, 2002, 19:32

Yes, and I am also immature and unreasonable enough to insult others by calling them a "twit" when I cannot use logic. =)

civman2000 · May 23, 2002, 19:35

please everyone stop this nonsense before this thread gets closed.

notyoueither · May 23, 2002, 19:51

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Originally posted by siredgar
You're all worker ants in a Firaxis colony. Happiness with the status quo, eh? I wonder how many of those people who voted for the firecart have even seen a turtleboat.

Before you get offended by a barb, maybe you should check to make sure that you hadn't dropped the gauntlet yourself.

siredgar · May 23, 2002, 20:03

Yes, that's quite comparable to what you posted.

MarkG · May 24, 2002, 03:28

siredgar, notyoueither: please act as you would like other people to act towards you. otherwise i will have to act towards you in a way that i would not like to

siredgar · May 25, 2002, 14:02

Please tell me exactly what I said that I should be equally given a warning or whatnot. I am very curious to know if you think that generally calling people "worker ants" is comparable to specifically calling out someone as a "twit".

MarkG · May 25, 2002, 19:10

you dont have to use specific "bad" words to insult someone

this is my last answer on this thread about this issue, continue on-topic please

Darkworld Ark · May 25, 2002, 19:41

It seems from the e3 vid that the Hwacha going to be the UU, since it was put with two other UUs, although it still could be part of the Feudal Japan unit pack.

Switch · May 25, 2002, 23:33

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Originally posted by siredgar
Yes and the Canadian education system is apparently in shambles.

YEs, it is. What's your point? Ontario's healthcare system is worse, but we're not here to talk politics.

I only chose the firecart because it seemed like the most modern, and there doesn't seem to be an abondance of modern UUs. If there was, I would have chosen the turtleboat, simply for the lack of aquatic UUs.

Mikhail · May 26, 2002, 03:15

Siredgar: We've all seen them before. And yes, they're cool looking. Should they be the UU of Korea? No.

As i've said in other various UU threads, Turtle Ships were used by Admiral Yi Shun Shi's fleet only. As soon as he died, so did all the Turtle Ships korea had. I don't consider it the best choice for their UU unit.

Aside from that, Naval units are really a waste, since most of the time your enemy is going to be continent based. Look at Britain. And it would really be doing a disservice to the Turtle ship anyway, since the spikes and iron coating would really have no real purpose in the Civ 3 engine: It would just be able to bombard.

I think the best choice for the Korean UU would be a Korean Skirmisher or Spearman from the Mongol occupation times. They were the mainstay of the Khan's armies.

siredgar · May 26, 2002, 12:50

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Originally posted by Mikhail
Aside from that, Naval units are really a waste, since most of the time your enemy is going to be continent based. Look at Britain. And it would really be doing a disservice to the Turtle ship anyway, since the spikes and iron coating would really have no real purpose in the Civ 3 engine: It would just be able to bombard.

I think the best choice for the Korean UU would be a Korean Skirmisher or Spearman from the Mongol occupation times. They were the mainstay of the Khan's armies.

You're right that a land-based unit may be more appropriate for the Koreans because they will be primarily fighting the Chinese on a realistic map. However, if you are playing on any other map, they could be quite useful. Even on a realistic map, this sea-based unit would provide the Koreans a good offense/defense against the Japanese.

Anyhow, I disagree about the Skirmisher or Spearman unit because they are not distinctly Korean and they do not come at the height of the Korean civilization. Generally, the UU's seem to appear either at the height of or a momentous moment of a civilization. As I have stated before, the Kobukson was unique in that it was the world's first ironclad warship and only used by the Koreans. It is quite majestic-looking, too.

Regardless, does anyone know where it was stated that this unit is called the "Hwacha"? I don't recall this anywhere. If it is indeed called that, then the Koreans are definitely in the expansion pack. But if this is something that someone just called that unit in the picture, then it is less likely.

Immortal Wombat · May 26, 2002, 13:58

Both, as in AoK:TC. They added Capture the Flag, and Regicide, they're obviously taking the AoK route, why not add two UUs, one land, one sea.

Mikhail · May 26, 2002, 14:29

Yea, and AOK is also very unbalanced in favor of the Koreans. In imperial age, Koreans are unstoppable. Not that it matters, since Korea usually dies in Feudal Age.

if civ were to do it, they'd have to do 2 UU for every civ, which is a lot o work and really not neccessary.

Siredgar: Well...okay. A turtle ship IS a good choice, my primary reason for not wanting it in, is because I don't WANT civ to have anything in common with AOK. *is 100% opposed to re-hash*