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Old May 26, 2002, 18:33   #31
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I gave a look at the Sav.
May I suggest to raise the Science budget to 70% (we currently are at 60%)...
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I gave a look at the Sav.
May I suggest to raise the Science budget to 70% (we currently are at 60%)...
I never even noticed it was at 60...

... but, now that you mention it... it was at 60 (Monarchy) in the 2250 save I d/l'ed

(jumping up and down, pointing finger and grinning)

Seriously... we must all bear down now, the Babylonian imperialists must not profit at the expense of our proletarian masses, drunk though said masses may be

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I never even noticed it was at 60...

... but, now that you mention it... it was at 60 (Monarchy) in the 2250 save I d/l'ed

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ah.... yes.... so in the future, at Sarzana School of Economics, the professor will explain to the class the effects of a 10% science budget reduction in BC, the reflexes in the powergraph and why it took so long for us to reach AC (or to kill everybody )

Oh, btw, here is an extract of the Mercatia Times (historical section): "How a King can build his personal estate using the science budget funds"


Ready to receive some lashes...


At least we now have the camel rolling!
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Oh, btw, here is an extract of the Mercatia Times (historical section): "How a King can build his personal estate using the science budget funds"
I now have my own newspaper....When did we discover writing?
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I now have my own newspaper....When did we discover writing?
2250, Messer Niccolo's last turn. I swapped it for Currency. We will swap techs with the decadent sons of Gilgamesh, but only if they have one within our tech path. In this case, our goal was Trade, so it was a worthwhile move, IMO.

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Straybow the Mad takes the throne
Hmmmmm, were you heading out onto the peninsula with that Warriors/Settler pair in the lower right? And do I read this right, consensus is to forego Temple construction altogether and shoot for HG? If that's the case, we need more brave Warriors to keep the lazy Scousers in line.

While we enjoy the jesters, jugglers, and acrobats in Scouseholme, we are wasting valuable resources!

Oops, I wasted some time playing a couple turns with a non-standard rules.txt… must return to -1750.
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Until we progress further, I am following DaveV's advice: maximize food at size 1, then maximize shields.

1700 Straybow Warriors sent to Scouseholme, Settlers road near Mercatia
1650 Probing Babylonian territory with Chariot
1600 Warriors arrive Scouseholme; send entertainers to the glaciers to
–––– wrestle with Walruses. I hear their acrobatics come in handy when
–––– their spears break.
1550 RMIUD sends forth Settlers; Hut gives RMIUD some Horsies
1500 Sarzana produces Settlers; Horsies discover Persepolis—Barbarians!
–––– (Bye, bye Horsies. They fought valiantly, but were slain ruthlessly.)
1400 Scouser wise men stumble upon a scheme to get people to worship gods,
–––– and which somehow involves the capture and training of Elephants.
–––– Clever chaps, eh?
–––– At a loss to see where to go next, I direct the "wise men" to break
–––– rocks in the gravel pit until they come up with an idea.
1350 I suddenly realize that I have fewer than 50 shields to go on Colossus,
–––– so rushing a caravan is moot. Buy statue. Shoulda sent those distracting
–––– jugglers away sooner.
1300 I, Straybow the Great, have completed the Colossus!
–––– Generations shall rejoice!
–––– I establish Utica, and the Scousers are commanded to rejoice.
1250 Scousers now number 200,000! I have determined that a Great Canal shall
–––– be built, chaining the lakes to the north to connect the Scousus Sea
–––– with the arm of the Great Sea to the NE of RMIUD. The terminus city of
–––– Erie is established, to link with Utica and future city of Albany.
–––– My successors shall stand in awe of my wisdom!
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Historians shake their heads…
As the Straybowite dynasty comes to a close, the reigns of the kings are chronicled. Despite the warnings of historians examining the so-called "six thousand year dynasty," Straybowite Kings ignored science and spent lavishly upon the great statue of the god Bacchus Gitus erected in Scouseholme.

One historian noted a curous reference in a dusty old document about "restarting after discovering that the wrong set of rules were in force." While no record of what happened before the "restart" (whatever that may mean) can be found, this historian is certain that initial efforts before the restart did, indeed, concentrate on science.

Straybow I (-1752 to -1708)
Straybow the Sensible (-1708 to -1639)
Straybow the Juggler (-1639 to -1611)
Straybow the Mostly Ignored (-1611 to -1592)
Straybow, "The Ivory King" (-1592 to -1555)
Straybow the Tottering Old Fool (-1555 to -1462)
Straybow VII (-1462 to -1433)
don Don the Odd Man Out (-1433 to 1401)
Straybow the Distracted (-1400 to -1361)
Straybow the Great (-1361 to -1288)
Straybow the Mad (-1288 to ??)

Official records say little about Straybow I, perhaps because of that "restart" interfering with record-keeping. Perhaps his successors were ungrateful for the efforts required to assume the throne. The last of the "six thousand year" dynasty died without issue, and it is reported that of more than sixty royal cousins who might have contested Straybow's claim all met with hunting accidents the preceding fall.

Straybow himself said that the '53 season was known for having a "livelier arrow" than previous hunting seasons. All contemporary historians were without dissent. Some cite the switch to the use of hawthorn for bows as well, which increased the range and made hunters more likely to overshoot their prey.

The only royal cousin to survive STYOM the Last was one Petros Rosos, who had been previously banned from the royal hunts for gambling. Straybow insisted that Petros be admitted into the hunting Hall of Fame for his outstanding career performance in the field. The King declared, "His only offense was betting against STYOM the Last in the archery contest. Which I won." Petros would only comment that he was lucky to have been locked in a dungeon for six years and equally glad to be freed by the King.

Of Straybow VII, no record remains. Even his nickname has been forgotten. Some say that his heir, don Don, was irritated at being given such a silly name and burned all court scrolls and defaced monuments his father had erected.

Rumor has it that Straybow the Mad was travelling in the North, with military engineers scouting the route for his Great Canal project. Some say that his distant relation, La Fayette, had him slain so that he could claim the throne. Official records say that the Royal Company was ambushed by a small band of barbarians from Persepolis, but no reports of raiders has been found in archives recovered from RMIUD and Utica.

Surely, barbarian raiders returning to Persepolis with jewels and apparel captured from the King's baggage train would have bragged loudly of their deeds. The later conquest of that city would have discovered the lost articles. La Fayette claimed that the Royal Scepter was never taken out of the capital, and thus it came to his hand, yet Straybow the Mad had insomnia and only slept when clutching it.

La Fayette is from Sarzana and was reported to have travelled north in the week before Straybow the Mad's disappearance. La Fayette claimed that he was visiting his aunt in Utica. The peasants who reported seeing him could not confirm the accounts when questioned later.

In fact, only a one-armed man could be found for questioning, and the inquisitors were sure he had two arms the first time they questioned him. He claimed that he only needed one arm to do his job, polishing boots for La Fayette. The inquisitors thought he had been a smith when they first questioned him, but obviously they were mistaken since a smith would need two arms.
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In the back passages of the Palace at ScouseHolme the shade of The Founder can be seen floating around in misery ...

* sob * where are my pretty Gardens? * sob *

* sob * what are these people doing - building science Wonders, but not bothering to research! * sob *

+ sob * who is this old fart anyway? * sob *

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Straybow good job! Your dynasty will be remembered in the centuries!

Just a question... why are our cities built in a 2 square range?
I usually try to maximize the spaces (even if I don't play deity).
Is there any particular reason to do that?

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In the back passages of the Palace at ScouseHolme the shade of The Founder can be seen floating around in misery ...

* sob * where are my pretty Gardens? * sob *

* sob * what are these people doing - building science Wonders, but not bothering to research! * sob *

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Straybow good job! Your dynasty will be remembered in the centuries!

Just a question... why are our cities built in a 2 square range?
I usually try to maximize the spaces (even if I don't play deity).
Is there any particular reason to do that?

I think that StrayBow has been worshipping at the shrine of the Goddess ICS -- you may find that several of us are inclined to that faith ...

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It could of course simply be his eagerness to complete the Great Canal Project - a true Wonder of the World ...

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WONDERS OF ANCIENT ERA
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In fact, only a one-armed man could be found for questioning, and the inquisitors were sure he had two arms the first time they questioned him. He claimed that he only needed one arm to do his job, polishing boots for La Fayette. The inquisitors thought he had been a smith when they first questioned him, but obviously they were mistaken since a smith would need two arms.
The truth must be said:
La Fayette's boots don't need any polishing. The 2-armed smith polishes the horseshoes of La Fayette's horse. That's all.
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La Fayette comes to power, riding his famous horsie-with-so-shining-horseshoes. He looks at the kingdom and almost falls from the top of his horse: who built that Raze-me... city one square away from the fine grassland on the river? Who built those forest cities close by (slow growth during the whole course of History)?
There must be an ICS mole among the builders of the Scousish Empire .
Anyway, the kingdom must survive and grow. Therefore, we shall build the HGs, some settlers (roadbuilders , not citybuilders) and one trireme in order to have a look abroad.

Short log:
1050: 50g from hut
925: Mongol city of Kashgar discovered ( = our keyciv )
Mongol give 100g for peace and we swap BW for WC. (I know some of you won't like this, but if you are ICSers, perhaps I'll be warmonger)
900: HG completed in our glorious capital city
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He looks at the kingdom and almost falls from the top of his horse: who built that Raze-me... city one square away from the fine grassland on the river?
Oh noble ShiningHorseshoes Horse Rider, our historical records show that RazeMeIfYouDare! has joined spontanuously from a hut ...

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Who built those forest cities close by (slow growth during the whole course of History)?
There must be an ICS mole among the builders of the Scousish Empire .
And yes, there should be some ICSers here and there in the ruling dynasties, but consider that, with the help of all these cities we have built the Great Canal Project!

We have HG! (the poor founder soul can now have some rest...)
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You can bet I didn't finish building that ICS canal ( I'm fairly sure that someone else will ).
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Julius, SG(2) are you up for a shot????

If no further posts I will start the second round this evening

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Yes - I'll have a go. Will download La Fayette's save.

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OK you're in, Admiral -- however, I don't think you have any boats as yet

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Yes, he has one, with a legion onboard, in order to convince those we meet that they had better give their precious gold.
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While I am employing DaveV's strategies for resources allocation, I didn't reign as an ICSer. I just got enamored with the Mad Scheme of connecting the inland sea through to the main ocean.

You'll rarely see me pass up a chance to make naval shortcuts. I just hate how long it takes to move ships around these scraggly continents. I'm doing it Because It Is There.
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I didn't mean to criticize YOU, Straybow.
...and I am very good friend with the masters of ICS, namely daveV and the Gits, but I am no ICSer at all. My pleasure is to beat them ...when I manage to .
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A few more boats - but not a navy!
Thanks for leaving the game in such good shape La Fayette

0850 Trireme built as the fastest means of internal transport around the watery heart of the empire.
0825 ScouseHolme builds MarketPlace
0800 Caravans built - Temple started in ScouseHolme
0750 Silver Caravan from Erie to ScouseHolme 34g; Meet Celts and exchange knowledge for Mysticism, Construction, Bridge Building and Iron Working. Maps + Alliance + gift of 150g.
0725 ScouseHolme builds Temple. Two settlers mine hidden special @ 78,70...its pheasant - pity no silk!
0700 Babylonians steal Horseback Riding - declare war!
0675 Settler joins capital now size 4
0650 100g Tribute from Mongols
0625 Beads to ScouseHolme 40g. Hut - Nomad
0600 Settler joins capital = size 5: Wine to ScouseHolme 54g; Extract 150g from Babylonians for Cease Fire - Peace + their maps: 50g tribute from Mongols. F8 reveals that the Mongols have lost their capital to the Barbs!
0575 Literacy discovered. Settler joins capital - Size 6; Gift tech to Celts and get their maps. Meet Spanish/peace/150g in tribute.
0550 Marco Polo's Embassy built in ScouseHolme; Hides to ScouseHolme 56g. 200g tribute from Vikings: 50g gift from Celts: Science now back @ 70%/Tax 30%
0525 Suez sur Scouse founded - the last piece of Straybow's Waterway Monster! (Well you all knew I would finish it!)
0500 Library built in ScouseHolme; Gems to ScouseHolme 26g; Maps from Spanish. Gift of 50g from Celts; Hut load of Barbs!
0475 Persepolis (Barb) bribed for 260g. Silk to ScouseHolme 26g. Settler joins ScouseHolme now size 7.

Philosophy should be in next turn to give my successor two tech choices.

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OK I've got it - will try and play tonight - failing that first thing tomorrow morning -- it definitely tyakes priority over marking

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Ok Im embarrassed to say I didn't realize SG was playing twice. I downloaded and played his turn because I thought I was suppose to follow him.

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Old May 27, 2002, 18:36   #60
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Originally posted by Mercatia
Ok Im embarrassed to say I didn't realize SG was playing twice. I downloaded and played his turn because I thought I was suppose to follow him.

Anyhow I will watch the play list more closely.
There's two (sometimes 3) of 'em. Sneaky, like a reverse DL. Used to confuse me, too
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