Official Military Debate Thread - Page 4

Zedd · June 4, 2002, 18:53

Attacking Philly and Thebes looks like the best option for a large strike. however i would definately include memphis in any plans i had. Five cities will allow us to rebuild and enlarge our military forces, which we will definately need for defenses. By takeing memphis we will minimize our voulnerabilities (sp?) and will be able to defend easily with fewer placed units.
1. North of memphis between Memphis and the americans.(fort allready built and not likely to be occupied.

2. West of alexandria on that small parcel of land.

3. Thebes. For all we know Thebes is the gateway to those other egyption cities and they could try to raise a force to re-enslave the population. Judging by the size of memphis i would say that it is not the first city egypt built and there is enough undiscovered land for two cities to be hiding in to the south.

Attacking Thebes individually only leaves that city very voulnerable and it is possible that The americans would strike out as us a response.

Attacking Philly indivudually, however could be done easily and the peninsula could be better defended. It is also in disorder according to H Tower's pics, so it may be easier to take while the AI is deverted to makeing citizens happy.

Kuciwalker · June 4, 2002, 20:53

I would prefer completely conquering them, however, stopping at Memphis would give us a defensible border, without it we have a huge front. Unfortunately, stopping at Memphis means we don't get Washington and New York, both of which have Wonders. I say conquer the entire continent; that way we only have to worry about naval superiority.

cavebear · June 5, 2002, 07:58

We definately have to conquer the entire continent. We can't let either civ survive, or the AI will just harass us and force us to keep troops there that could to used better elsewhere.

The only questions are really "how?" and "how fast?"

Zedd · June 5, 2002, 14:14

Don't misunderstand, I want to take the whole continent as well....however i see it as a "phased" attack where we will have to pause a few turns to rebuild our strike force. By takeing Philly, Thebes and Memphis at once (which is a highly attainable goal) we strengthen our hold on this continent. Then a few turns later we finish the assault by takeing washington, newyork and alexandria.
I think we would all agree that takeing out the americans could prove a difficult task if we try too early. We need a more sizable force than currently available and the additional cities will provide us with that.

atawa · June 5, 2002, 14:24

The only thing we need to take out ANY city is 2 ironclads.

If the Americans only have 3 city's and you take out 2, you can probebly bribe NY on the next turn.

Kuciwalker · June 5, 2002, 16:37

We need to devote some of our Caravels (and Ironclads, for escort) to sending settlers over near Carthage.

JCP · June 7, 2002, 15:30

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Originally posted by skywalker
We need to devote some of our Caravels (and Ironclads, for escort) to sending settlers over near Carthage.

Why a settler ? To be killed by Carthaguys ?

Kuciwalker · June 7, 2002, 16:00

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Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
Provided we can get the 'Clads, I have no issue with that idea. I'm going to see if I can bring in a couple more Musketeers too, to reinforce the cities once we take them.

The main debate I'd like to see here is how fast do we go? If we take Philly and Thebes quickly, should we roll on towards New York and Washington? And I think once Thebes is gone we can probably incite the workers of the rest of the Egyptian cities (AFAIK only Alexandria) to join us, so we need only diplomats there.

Minister of WAR, not peace.
MrWIA.

You forgot Memphis. Actually, we should only bribe Memphis, because we can take Alexandria with an Ironclad/Crusader attack, and save money.

Ren · June 8, 2002, 12:47

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Originally posted by Zedd
Don't misunderstand, I want to take the whole continent as well....however i see it as a "phased" attack where we will have to pause a few turns to rebuild our strike force. By takeing Philly, Thebes and Memphis at once (which is a highly attainable goal) we strengthen our hold on this continent. Then a few turns later we finish the assault by takeing washington, newyork and alexandria.
I think we would all agree that takeing out the americans could prove a difficult task if we try too early. We need a more sizable force than currently available and the additional cities will provide us with that.

Agreed.

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Originally posted by atawa
The only thing we need to take out ANY city is 2 ironclads.

Don't be so sure, this is Deity you're talking about...

Unless they have Musketeers, which I'm only assuming because i'm pretty new here and can't make it often enough to always be up to date...

atawa · June 8, 2002, 12:50

They mainly have phalanx and maybe by now a few pike's for defenders, so 2 clads should be more then enough.

Ren · June 8, 2002, 13:02

Aha, fair enough then!

Immortal Wombat · June 8, 2002, 13:08

I love the second line of your sig, ren

cavebear · June 8, 2002, 14:42

No city has needed more than 2 vet Ironclads so far. The main problem has been keeping up with the demand for defensive units for the conquered cities!

I didn't anticipate needing Caravels of Musketeers so quickly.

Ren · June 9, 2002, 08:34

Then we possibly should start buying (incite revolt or subvert) more cities??

MrWhereItsAt · June 9, 2002, 08:39

Well, I guess it's that time again - time to start the plan for next term. I ask everyone to look at what we accomplished last term and comment here - do we now finish the Americans and Egyptians? (A no brainer, IMO) Do we go on to take it to Rome and India? What about Carthage?

I will lokk at all comments and come up with some polls or a plan or two in the next day or so.

Comrade Premier cavebear - when is the ETA of the next reports/turn?

(Hopefully not too soon, hint hint

)

Oh, and my new avatar does NOT mean I am as insane as General Ripper (from Dr. Strangelove) - just that the war successes of the last term went to my head for a while.

Minister of WAR, not peace.
MrWIA.

cavebear · June 9, 2002, 12:41

I would expect to play the next session Friday night or Saturday morning. That's been working out pretty well.

H Tower · June 9, 2002, 22:02

could we see some screen shots of the area in question and our current dispostion of troops please?

cavebear · June 10, 2002, 08:54

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Originally posted by H Tower
could we see some screen shots of the area in question and our current dispostion of troops please?

There are local maps posted at the thread "Map - 1764 AD". Or do you mean you want a map that isn't posted there (let me know of what, and I'll add it)?

JCP · June 10, 2002, 14:41

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Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
do we now finish the Americans and Egyptians? (A no brainer, IMO) Do we go on to take it to Rome and India? What about Carthage?
I will lokk at all comments and come up with some polls or a plan or two in the next day or so.

As said in other links : after completely whipping Egypt and America, we have to face India (who threats our dear Babar) and Rome (whose progress may conduct to gunpower... and with the alliances against us, the proliferation will be instantly

).
The city of Rome is rich and proud near Citadel, but it is under the fire of our powered Superclads !