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View Poll Results: Should we have an Espionage Minister?
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May 30, 2002, 19:58
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Deity
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Espionage Minister?
I personally think that we should have an Espionage Minister, because managing diplos/spies isn't really the job of the foreign minister, yet doesn't quite fall under the Defense Minister. Therefore, we should create a new cabinet post (albeit a rather minor one). What do you think?
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May 30, 2002, 22:01
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I think it should be part of the defense minister. We seem to be having hard enough time finding people to run for the other
ministry postions as it is.
anyways, are we really planning to do much spying?
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May 30, 2002, 22:10
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Settler
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I too feel that it should be part of the defense ministers job to be in charge of spies, but I also feel both of those two positions should fall under the job of the SMC.
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May 30, 2002, 22:51
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Emperor
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We don't even have Spies yet. And they would fall under the control of Foreign Minister and Minister of War (depends on what was needed to be learned). Let's not try and form a bunch of new functions. 
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May 31, 2002, 07:08
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Prince
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Espionage is an horizontal function. Diplomats then spies are usefull for military planning and action, for foreign policy, and even for science advisor and imperial expension. 
I think that each minister may suggests the use of them, mainly defense and foreign secretaries.
In final decision, the President acts, combinating the purpoises.(for instance, with spies, systematically using free actions for up-to-dating our knowledge of the civ and the city before sabotage, stealing or inciting to revolt).
No need for a specific ministry. 
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May 31, 2002, 08:29
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Deity
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Dips/Spies are useful to many existing ministries (see JCP comments above). Even your humble Historian uses them -- to "verify" some of the little-known qualities of our civic leaders and citizens... 
No need for another High Council post.
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May 31, 2002, 13:36
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King
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I say leave it with the Foreign Ministry. That post won't have much to do, otherwise. 
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May 31, 2002, 16:35
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King
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A new post and we have how many diplo's? 4 
I don't think this is a full-timejob, not even a half-time.
Let the Foreign and Millitary fight for them when needed.
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June 1, 2002, 07:27
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King
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For now we dont need any such position.
After we get spies and if we are going to use them in force we can always reconsidder this.
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June 1, 2002, 08:46
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Warlord
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Sorry, but I do feal that the last thing we want is more ministers, and I really don't see the appeal of post with such a narrow set of responsibilities. Also it seems to me that it would lead to more confusion between existing ministries not less.
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