demographics

Space05us · May 31, 2002, 15:03

Something needs to be done about our demographics. I don't usually give much attention to this part of the game but when I look at our civilizations demographics I just have to do something about it. People are living to 27 years of age, 47% are diseased (mainly those who want the civ run as a democracy

), 32% can read, the people are only getting 13$ per capita, and worst of all the peasants have a 49% approval rating of the ruling class (that's us

) I really think somthing needs to be done about this. especially the only living to 27 years old and having 4.3 childredn thing

. I would never wish that upon anyone. If our citizens had the ability I don't doubt the fact that they would emmigrate ASAP. Bottom line we need to improve the standards of living.
Citizens:

Us(if we're not careful):

H Tower · May 31, 2002, 15:30

well maybe if we stopped conquering cities our demographic numbers would change.

cavebear · May 31, 2002, 15:31

I agree that some of our demographics need to be improved. But the ones that are "per capita" are only low because our population is much higher than the other civs.

Kuciwalker · May 31, 2002, 15:53

The demographics are a capitalist tool used to mystify the proletariat.

Space05us · May 31, 2002, 16:32

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Originally posted by skywalker
The demographics are a capitalist tool used to mystify the proletariat.

you're one to speak. you came waltzing up to the forum with an entire constitution in hand

H Tower · May 31, 2002, 17:13

some of those demos though are because we are conquering, like popularity, taking a city destroys temples, and cathedrals, (or was it colloseums?) once we discover medicine, the disease rate will drop and the life span will go up too. if you look at the other civs, you'll notice that they are republics or democracies (all the leaders are consul or speaker) of course their economies will be better than ours. but they aren't growing like ours. i'm not alking about family size though

Marquis de Sodaq · May 31, 2002, 17:26

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Originally posted by Space05us
...the people are only getting 13$ per capita,

Hey, that's good money, look how many bananas it gets you!

cavebear · May 31, 2002, 17:29

Carrots, too...

(Bugs Bunny, singing): "Carrots are divine, you get a dozen for a dime; it's magic..."

cavebear · May 31, 2002, 17:36

One of the most important demographics is Manufactured Goods. And we are first in that. I wish I knew by how much, though...

I *do* want to get our productivity and GNP up. With population, those 4 really tell you how you are doing.

Kuciwalker · May 31, 2002, 18:21

How are people earning money as commies?

Space05us · May 31, 2002, 18:29

you still get money for working, it's just equal to everyone else who holds the same job

Xenozod · May 31, 2002, 19:13

Productivity! Its all about Productivity! Increase Productivity!

cavebear · May 31, 2002, 19:24

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Originally posted by Xenozod
Productivity! Its all about Productivity! Increase Productivity!

Population counts, too. But I have our talented Engineer Corps transforming grassland into hills and mining them near most cities. That should help a bit in the productivity area! And I expect newly-appointed Minister of City-Planning Bear to improve Worker assignments and suggest the most useful city-improvements very soon.

Xenozod · May 31, 2002, 19:27

I still can't believe you chose a capitalist to be in our government.

cavebear · May 31, 2002, 19:52

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Originally posted by Xenozod
I still can't believe you chose a capitalist to be in our government.

I have no compunctions whatsoever against stealing the talents of the Capitalists for our own benefit. We will let them sell themselves as they assist us in burying their own kind. It will be proof of the failure of their anti-worker theory. The capitalist-lackeys will betray their own children for money, and we will benefit from it as our Workers observe their techniques and apply the dialectic to the improvement of the skills!

Xenozod · May 31, 2002, 19:54

How could I ever doubt our beloved president?! Viva cavebear!!!

atawa · May 31, 2002, 21:14

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Originally posted by cavebear

Population counts, too. But I have our talented Engineer Corps transforming grassland into hills and mining them near most cities. That should help a bit in the productivity area! And I expect newly-appointed Minister of City-Planning Bear to improve Worker assignments and suggest the most useful city-improvements very soon.

Better to mine the grasslands, transforming takes up too much time and we are now at a stage where we can use the engeneers for much needed naval bases.

Space05us · May 31, 2002, 21:22

when you mine grasslands they turn into forests... ugly ugly forests... but it is quicker you do have a point there

cavebear · May 31, 2002, 22:27

Building hills on gold-grassland yeilds 4 shield mines. I'm good with that.

Xenozod · May 31, 2002, 22:31

Shields that could be used to create our ironclad fleet...

cavebear · May 31, 2002, 22:35

But that's what the new mined hills are for.

Xenozod · May 31, 2002, 22:36

They could both be used.

Space05us · June 1, 2002, 03:52

huh?

atawa · June 1, 2002, 07:22

My argument is that mining grasslands is considerably quicker then transforming AND mining.

Ok, you loose the extra shield but with the time gained you can do more usefull things with the engineers.

Bear · June 1, 2002, 09:22

Yes, 'tis an absolute disgrace

Before we think about doing anything, we should think about what needs to be changed most (Caitalist Strategy #1 - Make them think about something else

).

PHASE 1.1: LIFE SPAN:
The life span is, frankly, ridiculous. But once medicine is discovered, that'll be much better, as will disease. So thats not my problem (Capitalist Strategy #2 - Immediately make the problem someone elses)

PHASE 1.2: SCIENCE:
Literacy is pathetic! We won't keep our tech advantage up unless we start building some more education facilities to maintain our advancement rate whilst jacking the taxes up a bit (Capitalist Strategy #3 - Find some way of making it right to raise taxes). So, to put this up a bit (and to maintain our advancement rate), I shall begin to look for suitable places for Libraries and other educational facilities.

PHASE 1.3: INCOME:
Income per capita is awful. This might be because we have a high population, but its also because we have a lack of income raising improvements. Our glorious President cavebear has started to build marketplaces in several cities, and I will begin to look at places where banks might be of good use in the future. I shall also talk to the Minister of Expansion about getting some engineers to modify the land slightly to increase trade levels. And, of course, once we've done Phase 1.2, we can change some of those Scientists into taxmen (Capitalist Strategy #4 - Sneak in some taxmen when nobody is looking).

PHASE 2.1: PRODUCTIVITY:
Well, thanks to our glorious Presidents intelligence, we have already started to improve land into hills around one or two of our core cities, to increase productivity (Capitalist Strategy #5 - SUCK UP!!). Not much more we can do, except build a couple of roads/mines here and there, and wait for the Industrial Age.

PHASE 2.2: FOOD:
This looks alright for now, in my ever-so-humble opinion. More food = less disease = longer living, so its good, right?

When our cities grow a bit more we can irrigate other parts of land around them, and build harbours and other improvements. Did you know that if you put an engineer in a ship and select it (the engineer) when its at sea, you can build roads in the ocean? Theres probably a patch that stops that though.. but I don't have it

I'm also not sure about the aqueduct situation.. I shall look into that.

There. That should solve one or two problems for our pathetic Demographics

Space05us · June 1, 2002, 20:46

Build granaries, it increases the life expectancy, or do we have the pyramids?

Kuciwalker · June 1, 2002, 23:46

Let us build banana plantations, that we may meet our banana quotas!

cavebear · June 2, 2002, 11:06

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Originally posted by Space05us
Build granaries, it increases the life expectancy, or do we have the pyramids?

The Egyptians have the Pyramids, at Thebes (Capital).

Kuciwalker · June 2, 2002, 11:53

Then let us destroy the evil capitist oppressors of the proletariat in Thebes and put the Pyramids, which are symbols of regressive political systems doomed to the ash-heap of history by the dialectic, to use for the peasents and workers of the United Apolytonia.

cavebear · June 2, 2002, 12:08

Yes, the Pyramids were build by oppressed Workers struggling under the heavy hand of the powerful hoarding elite. These symbols of the Workers struggle must be taken for the benefit of the proletariat, and the Elite cast down from their thrones!