Has MarkG poisoned our Game? - Page 2

Space05us · June 12, 2002, 20:42

He speak treason against The Mighty Ming!!!(oh and uh that Mark guy too)

Hywel Dda · June 12, 2002, 20:58

It was somewhere on these forums, is all I can say! A month or so ago. Can't remember topic, posters, or anything else about it.

Space05us: sorry, but IIRC the Mighty Ming was heavily implicated!

I'm pretty certain this happened. I pretty sure I didn't dream it!!!!!

H Tower · June 12, 2002, 21:40

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Originally posted by Hywel Dda
It was somewhere on these forums, is all I can say! A month or so ago. Can't remember topic, posters, or anything else about it.

well, this is the new age, the internet generation so to speak. and we don't accept just any assertion or statement without that little thing called evidence. which would mean a link

cavebear · June 12, 2002, 22:07

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Originally posted by Hywel Dda
It was somewhere on these forums, is all I can say! A month or so ago. Can't remember topic, posters, or anything else about it.

Space05us: sorry, but IIRC the Mighty Ming was heavily implicated!

I'm pretty certain this happened. I pretty sure I didn't dream it!!!!!

Some support for the claim would be interesting...

Matticus · June 13, 2002, 02:00

So I guess that the banana has been validated by this poll, has it not?

Hydey · June 13, 2002, 06:04

Yes MarkG wants to destroy a rather active forum on his apolyton site. That makes perfect sense to me

MarkG · June 13, 2002, 06:44

i admit it, i put hidden messages in the html of the forum pages telling people to sign-up for the civ3 democracy game

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It was somewhere on these forums, is all I can say! A month or so ago.

a month or so ago. may 13. a week(or so) later (may 21) i posted in the news a huge update by jrabbit...
yeap, i'm definately determined in killing this idea that i supported

Hydey · June 13, 2002, 06:49

See he admits it so it must be true.

atawa · June 13, 2002, 08:00

Sounded weird to begin with, this is the most active of all Civ2 forums after all

-Jrabbit · June 13, 2002, 09:12

Historian Report

Here are the facts as history will record them!

MarkG has shown consistent evidence of total support for this forum. He started it, for one. For another, he PM'd me, unbidden, to ask for history updates each of the last 2 months. These lovely little PR pieces have been far more successful than anything else (e.g., signature links) in attracting new participants to the Civ2 Democracy Game.

Ming is another story. As many of you know, we are long-time buddies IRL and I see him at least once a week. It's true that Ming has displayed a disparaging attitude to this forum, at one point (verbally) telling me he thought it was a "dead forum." But so what?: He feels that way about a lot of fora, and he's certainly entitled to his opinion (however myopic and uninformed it may be). In essence, he's just indicating he has no interest in what we're doing. Which is fine.

As moderator, Ming mostly cares about how much of his time a forum takes up. Since he's only had to step in here once, that puts this forum solidly in the "Mostly Harmless" category.
--Which means he doesn't have to go "on patrol" for OT threadjacks, flame wars, etc.
--Which means we get some slack when our threads wander a bit and become mildly spammish on occasion.
--Which means Post Count Heaven.

Which makes this a great place to be.

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Ming · June 13, 2002, 09:53

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Originally posted by -Jrabbit

Historian Report

Here are the facts as history will record them!

Maybe the Historiian shouldn't drink so much if he consideres these the "facts"

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Ming is another story. As many of you know, we are long-time buddies IRL and I see him at least once a week. It's true that Ming has displayed a disparaging attitude to this forum, at one point (verbally) telling me he thought it was a "dead forum."

This is a bold face lie... I have never said it was a dead forum... and never thought it either.

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But so what?: He feels that way about a lot of fora, he's certainly entitled to his opinion (however myopic and uninformed it may be).

And please tell me which other fora that I mentioned besides the ones that actually are dead and haven't had any posts in months...

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In essence, he's just indicating he has no interest in what we're doing.

Wrong... while I have stated that I have no interest in joining the game... it doesn't mean I have no interest in what is being posted here.

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As moderator, Ming mostly cares about how much of his time a forum takes up. Since he's only had to step in here once, that puts this forum solidly in the "Mostly Harmless" category.

I have stepped in more than once in this forum... just recently in response to the many complaints about skywalker...
In addition... ask around on how many times I'm requested to take action in regards to topping and untopping threads... I think "once" I overlooked a request, and when I was made aware of it, I acted.

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--Which means we get some slack when our threads wander a bit and become mildly spammish on occasion.
--Which means Post Count Heaven.

All forums have threads that wander a bit and become spammish on occasions... but that doesn't mean Post Count Heaven... just ask skywalker...
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For a Historian, you sure don't do a very good job.
Next time, maybe the historian should check his facts.

JCP · June 13, 2002, 10:49

Oh !

A link where we may read in the same time the Great MarkG and the Allmighty Ming !

Really, that is at the opposite of indifference for this forum, which becomes the "floret" of this site !

Kropotkin · June 13, 2002, 10:51

Friends IRL... until now...

-Jrabbit · June 13, 2002, 10:52

Well, I really stepped in it this time.

What started as a positive "support of MarkG" post degenerated badly and has caused ill will. Worse, I have caused hassles for a personal friend. That was never my intent.

I doubt any good will be served by a detailed examination of my post and Ming's response. Let it suffice to say that I was out of bounds.

I HEREWITH PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE TO MING FOR THE INACCURATE STATEMENTS CONTAINED IN MY PREVIOUS POST.

Mea culpa. Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa.

Ming · June 13, 2002, 11:03

JR... I appreciate your post.

And I do want to comment on one of the comments I made in the above post.

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Originally posted by Ming
Maybe the Historiian shouldn't drink so much if he consideres these the "facts"

I just want to point out that JR and I get together on Friday nights on a weekly basis as part of the "Strategic Gaming Society"... where we sit around and play board games while relaxing and drinking... And we do sometimes drink a lot, and have "wonderful" conversations into the wee hours of the morning.

My comment was meant to imply that maybe his memory of some of those conversations might be questionable... because they are for me some Saturday mornings

I by no means meant to imply that he drinks too much on a regular basis...

Sorry about that JR.

So case closed in my books... I'll see you at the next scheduled meeting of the SGS...

-Jrabbit · June 13, 2002, 11:21

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Originally posted by Ming I by no means meant to imply that he drinks too much on a regular basis...

No, I do that strictly on a "Strategic" basis...

Oh, and happy to post that, Ming. What's right is right.
I just hope we all feel better now.

cavebear · June 13, 2002, 16:49

I trust that the current voting, which essentially says 21 "no" to a paltry 3 "yes", answers any concerns that the majority of us think the creation of a Civ3 Democracy Game is a negative thing or that it was in the least way meant to threaten our game.

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery".

Hydey · June 13, 2002, 18:53

Did Ming say our Historian is a drunk?

I hope its true , I like drunks

Hywel Dda · June 13, 2002, 19:44

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Originally posted by -Jrabbit
Ming is another story. As many of you know, we are long-time buddies IRL and I see him at least once a week. It's true that Ming has displayed a disparaging attitude to this forum, at one point (verbally) telling me he thought it was a "dead forum." But so what?: He feels that way about a lot of fora, and he's certainly entitled to his opinion (however myopic and uninformed it may be). In essence, he's just indicating he has no interest in what we're doing. Which is fine.

This is the story I was thinking of, -Jrabbit posted details of that conversation the next day, so at least I didn't dream it. But what I seem to have failed to realise was that -Jrabbit and Ming were such buddies, and that -Jrabbit's post at the time was more in the line of a friendly dig than serious criticism.

I apologize unreservedly for any misunderstanding I've caused. No hard feelings I hope.

(I note that Ming denies the quote anyway. Well, that's between him and -Jrabbit, I was just remembering what I had read).

Particular apolosies to MarkG who is clearly entirely innocent of any wrongdoing!! Yes, I did notice that "major update" of May 21. Great stuff.

Ming · June 13, 2002, 20:02

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Originally posted by Hywel Dda
I note that Ming denies the quote anyway. Well, that's between him and -Jrabbit, I was just remembering what I had read.

If I had seen it then, I would have denied it too... It's just not true. JR may have interpreted something differently, but I by NO MEANS EVER SAID SUCH A THING!

War4ever · June 13, 2002, 20:16

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Originally posted by Ming

If I had seen it then, I would have denied it too... It's just not true. JR may have interpreted something differently, but I by NO MEANS EVER SAID SUCH A THING!

not that you would remember after a heavy night of "whatever you do when rah is using your machine"

all in jest Ming....i know you wouldnt' say anything like that !!!

Ming · June 13, 2002, 20:21

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Originally posted by War4ever
not that you would remember after a heavy night of "whatever you do when rah is using your machine"

And JR is usually in the same condition as I after one of those sessions

Hywel Dda · June 13, 2002, 20:24

Here, for the record, is the thread on which -JRabbit referred to the alledged conversation.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=46828

Ming · June 13, 2002, 20:39

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Originally posted by Hywel Dda
Here, for the record, is the thread on which -JRabbit referred to the alledged conversation.

Alledged is the opperative word here...

War4ever · June 13, 2002, 20:51

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Originally posted by Ming

And JR is usually in the same condition as I after one of those sessions

ironically enough, both Rah and i are usually in the same condition

H Tower · June 13, 2002, 22:04

QUOTE: "He (MING) also said that he could take over any AI civ in our game and thrash us with it"
(italics are mine)

and you people want to put ming on the coin

Ming · June 13, 2002, 22:45

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Originally posted by H Tower
QUOTE: "He (MING) also said that he could take over any AI civ in our game and thrash us with it"
(italics are mine)
and you people want to put ming on the coin

Actually, if I remember correctly, my comment was a long the lines of "a good single player should be able to beat a team effort" because decision by commitee is not the best way to make decisions

I'm going to have to remember to tape our drunken conversations on Friday nights in the future

War4ever · June 13, 2002, 23:14

that would make for good audio sound bites for apolyton......come listen to Ming and War trashed on a Saturday night duel.....

first episode is whine, and more whine , the duet!