View Poll Results: How many turns in a row shall positions be holdable. (Historians excepted) (5 days)
Change every term, we need fresh blood. 6 10.17%
They can stay for two terms, as long as the have support by the people 12 20.34%
Let them run for a maximum of three terms 13 22.03%
Four terms, and not a day more. 1 1.69%
Five terms, and then we need to refresh our politics. 1 1.69%
Hey, let them stay as long as they have support by the people 25 42.37%
Other Option 1 1.69%
I don't care about the officialism of this country. 0 0%
Let them stay as long as they provide us with bananas 0 0%
Let them stay as long as they can eat a banana 0 0%
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Old June 8, 2002, 16:28   #1
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Number of terms in a row allowed.
Now, to protect the people from this turning into a despotism. We need to limit the number of terms in a row a member can hold a position.
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How about as long as people want but not twice in a row so things get changed about.
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Well, I think we need to have at least two turns in a row so that the candidate has to answer from us... but really, this poll is useless until we decide how long the terms are. When the length is decided, I'll vote for the number.
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How about as long as people want but not twice in a row so things get changed about.
Hu???? I don't get that option. Exapmle of what that would be allowed and what that wouldn't be could be handy.
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Gramphos, that would be every time you are elected, you must stand down the term afterwards, but after that you may run for election again.
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Hu???? I don't get that option. Exapmle of what that would be allowed and what that wouldn't be could be handy.
he means that you can be in office as many times as you want, but NEVER twice in a row. he then states that it would help to vary the game.

i don't like it. you should be able to be re-elected in successive terms. i vote for no limits.
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Old June 8, 2002, 18:02   #7
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Well, The whole poll is about how many times in a row you can have the same post. Of course this could be different from different posts. But it would be easier with the same thing.

However, if you just are a citizen (or maybe just another post (we need a poll for that as well)) the coulter will reset.
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3 terms. That will allow for some consistency in our government and also let fresh blood in evert once in a while.
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i voted for unlimited terms. if we want new blood, we'll vote new blood.
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let them stay in office as long as the people support them.
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3 terms in a row.
But someone who was in office for all the three terms will have to take at least 2 terms long vacation.
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Put a limit on the terms guys! It won't be nice to see when some people start insulting other people's work to get them out of the cabinet!
Put a limit, and then all you need to do is a little more waiting! This way insults will be spared.
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As it stands now, most people are for a limit. but the length of it is not fully decided... Even toh most votes are fore a 3 terms limit, there are also many wanting it to be unlimited.

Once this poll closes we might have to do some wheightening to get a good result.
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Two terms, with a one term vacation before they can run for election again.

Actually, it doesn't matter, because if the people are unhappy, then the revolution will begin and heads will roll.
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i voted "other option", and here is why

ideally, i would say 2-3 terms.. but more towards 2
however, in times of war or crisis... this kind of rule might be better ignored, if the current government setup would be better left in power slightly longer to get things done without confusion and change..

Roosevelt stayed, what, 4 terms? That worked out well. I think a similar system would be nice for us. Put in a limit for peace time, but no limit for war-time.
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Roosevelt didnt stay because there was war. He stayed because there was no limit.
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Roosevelt didnt stay because there was war. He stayed because there was no limit.
Yup, he stayed because no one told him he couldn't.
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I vote for 3 terms for reasons already stated.
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we dont want people serving forever. this is a "democracy" game right. my vote: three terms
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The maximum should be for one post, i.e. three terms as Foreign Minister and then you have to either not run or run for a different post.
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3 consecutive terms, unlimited overall
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How amny turns are one term? When I know that, I'll vote.
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I vote unlimited terms. Let them stay as long as they have the unconditional support of the people. The people will decide when they want someone else in.
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unlimited total
maximum 3 in a row

for example,
you can be there for 3 terms, way 1, another 3, away 1, another 3, away 1, ad infinitum... just never more than 3 in a row
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YES. after my successful early military campaigns, the people will never vote me out
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How amny turns are one term? When I know that, I'll vote.

Check the poll at:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=52395


If its going to be a month real time I think there should be a one term limit.
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as long as we the people support them i reckon let them stay. we can always get rid of them.
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As long as they have support, so we get some flow
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