The Hague Invasion Act - Page 4

Hueij · June 14, 2002, 16:29

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Originally posted by DinoDoc

I just find it odd that you would be the only country in Europe to have actually heard of this act. I don't even think that the BBC even has an article about it.

Maybe its because we are the country involved and Big Brother has his eye on us? And I really don't understand why most of the USians on ACS haven't heard about this...

DinoDoc · June 14, 2002, 16:36

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Originally posted by Hueij
Maybe its because we are the country involved and Big Brother has his eye on us?

So much for the European community.

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And I really don't understand why most of the USians on ACS haven't heard about this...

Seriously. I can not find any information about this on CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc.

August Borms · June 14, 2002, 16:38

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Originally posted by DinoDoc

I just find it odd that you would be the only country in Europe to have actually heard of this act. I don't even think that the BBC even has an article about it.

it'es beens reportyed in flemsih medua tyoo

we dont take it seriueos

Hueij · June 14, 2002, 16:39

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Seriously. I can not find any information about this on CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc.

Maybe that's because news about small countries isn't supposed to be of interest for US viewers?

Sprayber · June 14, 2002, 16:42

Thanks dino

Will one of you legal gurus tell me what this is saying?

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Article 8 (2) (a) (ii)-2
War crime of inhuman treatment

Elements

1. The perpetrator inflicted severe physical or mental pain or suffering upon one or more persons.
2. Such person or persons were protected under one or more of the Geneva Conventions of 1949.
3. The perpetrator was aware of the factual circumstances that established that protected status.
4. The conduct took place in the context of and was associated with an international armed conflict.
5. The perpetrator was aware of factual circumstances that established the existence of an armed conflict.

rah · June 14, 2002, 16:44

Hueij ,
True,
Most of the international coverage these days is either
1. Afghanistan
2. Indian border conflict
3. Isr/Pal

Hueij · June 14, 2002, 16:49

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Originally posted by rah
Hueij ,
True,
Most of the international coverage these days is either
1. Afghanistan
2. Indian border conflict
3. Isr/Pal

I can understand why that is, but it worries me. The US is THE world power nowadays so shouldn't her people at least be informed about how the rest of the world fares?

Apocalypse · June 14, 2002, 17:07

Hueij: We're too busy working and watching crappy reality shows to care about the world.

Hueij · June 14, 2002, 17:10

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Originally posted by Apocalypse
Hueij: We're too busy working and watching crappy reality shows to care about the world.

I don't know if you mean this as a joke but the rest of us get the impression this is true. Not something to feel secure about...

Sprayber · June 14, 2002, 17:15

This is an interesting read. Has anyone read the notes on the those that have signed on?

http://untreaty.un.org/ENGLISH/bible...I/treaty10.asp

Has Russia or Australia signed on as of yet?

Apocalypse · June 14, 2002, 17:17

I'm serious. There are many people who care about the rest of the world, but many just want to look inward. Being the self-centered people they are, they just focus on their own problems and forget about everything outside themselves. Many don't even care about national politics.

People in the US work more hours than most, people don't want to get home from work and look into issues that don't directly affect them.

rah · June 14, 2002, 17:18

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Originally posted by Hueij

I can understand why that is, but it worries me. The US is THE world power nowadays so shouldn't her people at least be informed about how the rest of the world fares?

The sad thing is that you'll find a higher percentage of better informed people at Apolyton then in the general population. By a lot.

RAH
I did see a quick summary of this in the paper this week, but it was buried on page 20. Not many people get that far.

Hueij · June 14, 2002, 17:24

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Originally posted by rah

The sad thing is that you'll find a higher percentage of better informed people at Apolyton then in the general population. By a lot.

RAH
I did see a quick summary of this in the paper this week, but it was buried on page 20. Not many people get that far.

I know, but even here I see some Americans spout the greatest nonsense about Europe or the rest of the world. Sometimes I'm really having trouble not to troll against America...

Apocalypse · June 14, 2002, 17:26

Hueij: You're the ones who think they're going to get invaded. That is about the silliest serious misconception I've heard in a long time.

Hueij · June 14, 2002, 17:33

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Originally posted by Apocalypse
Hueij: You're the ones who think they're going to get invaded. That is about the silliest serious misconception I've heard in a long time.

We know we are not going to be invaded. It's the realisation that our biggest ally doesn't think twice about how about other nations and people think and automatically assumes that their point of view is the one and only. It's not only the Invasion Act, it's also Kyoto, it's also Start2, it's the way the US thinks it is ruling the world.

rah · June 14, 2002, 17:35

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Originally posted by Hueij

I know, but even here I see some Americans spout the greatest nonsense about Europe or the rest of the world. Sometimes I'm really having trouble not to troll against America...

I think you'd be surprised about how much of what you read here is blantant trolling from americans, that you guys take serioiusly. And visa-versa I'm sure.

RAH
Come on, some of these guys can't be as stupid as they appear to be.

Hueij · June 14, 2002, 17:43

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I think you'd be surprised about how much of what you read here is blantant trolling from americans, that you guys take serioiusly. And visa-versa I'm sure.

Hey, I'm not new around here

But seriously, sometimes i'm really surprised by what people have opinions about and don't know s*** about. (Not only Americans I have sadly to admit)

faded glory · June 14, 2002, 17:52

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Dr. Stiby · June 14, 2002, 17:54

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Originally posted by Hueij

We know we are not going to be invaded. It's the realisation that our biggest ally doesn't think twice about how about other nations and people think and automatically assumes that their point of view is the one and only. It's not only the Invasion Act, it's also Kyoto, it's also Start2, it's the way the US thinks it is ruling the world.

I completely agree with you Hueij. I'm having such an easy time lately convincing my friends that the Bush administration is a bunch of *******. Especially when I tell them about the time George Bush waved at Stevie Wonder.

to the USA.

Hueij · June 14, 2002, 17:55

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Originally posted by faded glory
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Man, you can't even align the frames in that pic... Talking about stupid USians...

faded glory · June 14, 2002, 17:57

lol, Im an amatuer at that. Besides I took it off an altitude gauge in flight sim. Hence the moving of the frame.....(plane being shot at)

Hueij · June 14, 2002, 18:02

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to the USA.

I don't agree with you here... The US is a wondeful country, a whole continent that changes with every corner you turn. Most people you meet are friendly (tho kind of shallow). Some of my fav movies come from there and they wrote some awfull literature.

If I ever have to flee the Netherlands (God forbid) I know where I would go to (well, if Jamaica won't take me

)...

Panag · June 14, 2002, 18:07

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Originally posted by Hueij

I don't agree with you here... The US is a wondeful country, a whole continent that changes with every corner you turn. Most people you meet are friendly (tho kind of shallow). Some of my fav movies come from there and they wrote some awfull literature.

If I ever have to flee the Netherlands (God forbid) I know where I would go to (well, if Jamaica won't take me

)...

hi ,

now that's the way to talk , .....say , why not go now , ...jobs enough , or study , ...

have a nice day

MichaeltheGreat · June 14, 2002, 18:11

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Originally posted by Rogan Josh
As a matter of interest, does anyone here actually think that the US could succesfully invade Europe, assuming all the European countries were united against them?

I am not asking who would win a war, but could the US 'conquor' Europe without inside help?

(Assuming Nuclear weapons are not used - obviously no side wins if nukes are used...)

No.

(how's that for a short answer?

)

- Groucho - · June 14, 2002, 18:12

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Originally posted by Hueij
It's the realisation that our biggest ally doesn't think twice about how about other nations and people think and automatically assumes that their point of view is the one and only. It's not only the Invasion Act, it's also Kyoto, it's also Start2, it's the way the US thinks it is ruling the world.

You know, Hueij, most of what you're complaining about is the US not listening when the rest of the world tries to tell it what to do. Not the other way around as you seem to suggest.

Dr. Stiby · June 14, 2002, 18:12

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and they wrote some awfull literature.

This is what we call a slip of the tongue (or a slip of the finger in this case)!

But anyway you're right. I've got nothing against Americans as such, but not a single week goes by when I'm not angered by a new action from the Bush administration these days.

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If I ever have to flee the Netherlands (God forbid) I know where I would go to (well, if Jamaica won't take me )...

in Jamaica!

I think I'll go back to me roots, Aruba, if I'll have to leave Holland!