WarCraft III - Page 2

Jon Miller · July 2, 2002, 13:00

That is the way the story goes

and there is only one time when a heroe is reset to level one

so it makes a lot of sense

Jon Miller

edit: removed spoiler

FrustratedPoet · July 2, 2002, 13:34

Thanks for the spoiler Jon.

Jon Miller · July 2, 2002, 13:53

sorry

Jon Miller

Victor Galis · July 3, 2002, 11:49

Does the game allow for giving orders while the game is paused?

General Ludd · July 3, 2002, 12:20

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Originally posted by Victor Galis
Does the game allow for giving orders while the game is paused?

I don't believe so, but if that's the kind of RTS you are looking for WC3 is deffinately not a good choice, anyways. It is very fast paced and action oriented.

Victor Galis · July 3, 2002, 12:41

Then it's crap.

FrustratedPoet · July 3, 2002, 12:46

What's wrong with a fast-paced and action-orientated game?

Would you prefer a slow game with no action?

Victor Galis · July 3, 2002, 13:05

No... I preffer a game where I can give cool units special orders at a reasonable pace.

Now, imagine in starcraft... 6 battlecruisers, 12 ghosts. If the computer is playing against me, it can kill the crap out of my battlecruisers. If I am playing, I can only order one ghost to do stuff, before the computer just kills them all. If I could orders 6 ghosts to lock down 6 battlecruisers simultaneously, then there would be no need to pause.

Similarly, if I could control two spellcasters at once, then things would be good, but as is, any game made by Blizzard really puts human players at a disadvantage when trying to use any sort of unit that does something cool.

Victor Galis · July 3, 2002, 13:06

I would preffer a fast-paced game, where you can pause at any time, give your units orders, and then watch things die in 3 seconds, Baldur's Gate style.

General Ludd · July 3, 2002, 13:10

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Originally posted by FrustratedPoet
What's wrong with a fast-paced and action-orientated game?

Would you prefer a slow game with no action?

When I think about a strategy game I think of strategy, and "Fast paced and action oriented" RTS games are severly lacking in that department. If you want a good, strategic, RTS look at Eruopa Universalis - it let's you set the pace of the game, and pause it to give orders at any time you want. EU's focus is on strategy, not killing ****.

Or for a more 'traditional' RTS game, Total Anhilation - it lets you pause and give orders any time you want, and has a pace that allows for more strategy, timing, and thinking.

On the other hand, WarCraft 3 has an extremely fast pace and forces you to "tank rush", or build up as big a force as possible and throw it at the enemy as soon as you can. It's only a matter of minutes before your resources run out, or you enemy goes hunting for "NPC"s to gain levels and loot - if you aren't fast enough, you die. The only strategy involved in that is powergaming strategy - how fast you can do this, the most efficient way to do that, ect...

Victor Galis · July 3, 2002, 13:20

I have been liking RTS a lot more lately, but only ones that allow you to pause give orders then watch things be resolved in real-time. This especially makes sense in EU, where each second represents at least a day... so really you can pause at any time, give complex orders and still be playing faster than real time. I can understand arguments that quick, dirty battles should not be carefully planned.

DinoDoc · July 3, 2002, 16:42

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Originally posted by Osweld
Or for a more 'traditional' RTS game, Total Anhilation -

You must not play online very much. Pausing the game too much will get you kicked out of most RTS games.

Freeze · July 3, 2002, 16:50

Have you tried Kohan? I sure enjoyed it, slower pace and all, even though I still know warcraft2 build orders by heart.

Victor Galis · July 3, 2002, 19:36

Which is why I don't really like Online RTS games. PRGs are ok, because you're only playing one character.

General Ludd · July 3, 2002, 23:59

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Originally posted by DinoDoc

You must not play online very much. Pausing the game too much will get you kicked out of most RTS games.

I have never played TA online before, by the time I had bought it cavedog was dead and the boneyard (That's what they called the match making service, right?) was gone.

Althogu hI don't really like playing RTS games online that much, I'll agree that in multiplayer it's usually better for a RTS to have a faster pace... but still, not so much as WC3. StarCraft is the only RTS game that I have ever liked multiplayer.

Victor Galis · July 4, 2002, 04:09

I liked Starcraft multiplayer, but not as much as I would have like a multiplayer TBS game, but since those are impractical...

DrSpike · July 7, 2002, 08:12

Never played any RTS MP. A few times I thought I might give it a whirl, but I do get put off by the rushfest ideas I see whenever I browse MP strat forums for such games. Why do people like Starcraft/TA MP so much? Has anyone played warcraft3 MP?

General Ludd · July 7, 2002, 09:17

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Originally posted by Victor Galis
I liked Starcraft multiplayer, but not as much as I would have like a multiplayer TBS game, but since those are impractical...

TBS games are great in PBEM.

DinoDoc · July 7, 2002, 12:03

Has anyone beaten "The Culling" mission from the Human campaign yet? If so, could you tell me how you did it?

FrustratedPoet · July 7, 2002, 12:37

I beat it.

Send out Arthas and the units you start with as soon as the game starts. They'll be enough to wipe out the houses to the south of your start position.

Send them back-up units as soon as possible and once you've got an army of about 10-12 units go after Mal'Ganis, who starts in the centre of the map, and kill him. Use your healing spell on his undead minions to hurt them.

Once he's dead he'll stay out of the game for a couple of minutes. Use this time to re-stock your attack force and create a few base defenders. Your base will be attacked a few times, but your Peasants Call to Arms ability and a couple of knights should be enough to defend yourself.

The key to this mission is to keep attacking those peasant houses all the time, you can easily flip back and forth between your attackers and your base.

Like many games of Warcraft III the best way to win is Rush, Rush, Rush and Rush some more.

Jon Miller · July 7, 2002, 13:02

I agere on the rush

I think you should confront Mal'Ganis a little sooner

also, send out several groups to destroy the houses

you only need like 4 troops (footmen or knights) to do a good job

you will be 'culling' much faster

Jon Miller

Jon Miller · July 7, 2002, 13:03

My freind and I play TA alot

we play it farely slow to focus on the strategy

right now we don't live close enough for me to borrow his CD, so now I am trying to aquire it

Jon Miller

DinoDoc · July 7, 2002, 17:53

Thanks guys! I made it past the mission easily with your help.

Now I've made it to the "Burn the Boats" mission but I keep getting bogged down by the undead and can not destroy the last boat before time runs out. What did you people do to get past this mission?

- Groucho - · July 7, 2002, 18:38

*sigh* I thought I would be a good little apolytoner and pre-order WC3 through the chips&bits banner ad. Here it is the 7th and they still haven't even shipped it. The worst part is that I was at the Wiz on Friday buying a CD for my kid and I had to walk right past the WC3 display. grumble, grumble

Zopperoni · July 7, 2002, 19:52

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Has anyone beaten "The Culling" mission from the Human campaign yet? If so, could you tell me how you did it?

OMG, that was traumatic the first time I played it. I lost the mission 99-100

Zopperoni · July 7, 2002, 19:53

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Thanks guys! I made it past the mission easily with your help.

Now I've made it to the "Burn the Boats" mission but I keep getting bogged down by the undead and can not destroy the last boat before time runs out. What did you people do to get past this mission?

I just went for it. I got it right first time, I bought the Mercenaries needed and just went through it.
If you don't want to fight, try running away, it works pretty well sometimes, I noticed

Asher · July 7, 2002, 19:58

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Originally posted by Zopperoni
OMG, that was traumatic the first time I played it. I lost the mission 99-100

My God, that's one of the easiest missions.

I simply killed the guy twice in a row, he disappears for two minutes...

DinoDoc · July 7, 2002, 20:08

Where did you find the Mercs?

Zopperoni · July 7, 2002, 21:06

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Originally posted by Asher
My God, that's one of the easiest missions.

I simply killed the guy twice in a row, he disappears for two minutes...

IIRC, he disappears for three minutes, but anyway, yeah it turned out to be an easy mission in the end.

Zopperoni · July 7, 2002, 21:09

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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Where did you find the Mercs?

At some stage you should find huts where they'll sell you Mercs (Ogres and Berzerkers). I believe I came across three of them on the way...

Quite a funny side-note, I lost all my Mercs before arriving at the final ship...which was quite funny if you then watch the movie after you complete the mission...