Scathing poll for Blair...

red_jon · June 19, 2002, 10:06

(Taken from The Mirror) A recent Face poll, the biggest of its kind in the UK, amongst Britain's younger generation (16-29) does note bode well for Tony Blair or the British right. Amongst the figures, here are the ones I found most interesting -

National Pride

- 83% would leave Britain permanently to live abroad.
- 65% have felt ashamed to be British (the main reasons being violence and football hooliganism).
- Only 30% would risk their lives for their country.

Trust

- 85% believe corporations cannot be trusted.
- 84% believe the same of politicians
- 76% believe the same of the media

- 73% do not trust the Labour Government.

Voting

25% would vote Lib Dem, 23% Labour, 13% Tory.

Drug Use

95% of 16-19 year olds drink.

51% used cannabis, 36% regualar ciggarettes.

"The majority feel that Britain is still resting on past glories such as the Empire and great British inventions".

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Sorry Bodders

Some interesting results. I knew patriorism was low amoungst my generation, but not that low.

Stefu · June 19, 2002, 10:11

Tee hee hee.

Hey, Brits, what are the chances that Lib. Dems replace Tories as the second largest party in next election?

MikeH · June 19, 2002, 10:11

YAY!!!!

The youth feels the same as me!

red_jon · June 19, 2002, 10:13

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Originally posted by Stefu
Hey, Brits, what are the chances that Lib. Dems replace Tories as the second largest party in next election?

Low.

It's possible that they will in the next few elections, if the Tories carry on the way they are.

I think they'll take the hint after the next election and become more libertarian.

Lincoln · June 19, 2002, 10:16

I met a few people from the UK when I was in Thailand and they didn't think too highly of their own country. This was the first I heard of this so I didn't think much of it but the poll seems to confirm that there is widespread dissapointment.

KrazyHorse · June 19, 2002, 10:16

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51% used cannabis, 36% regualar ciggarettes

Hee hee.

There's something amusing about more of the population using the illegal one over the legal one.

red_jon · June 19, 2002, 10:17

Oh, the link-

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews...l&siteid=50143

KrazyHorse · June 19, 2002, 10:17

I get the feeling it's just the British being British (national attitude).

The difference between them and us in Canada is that they have specific places they'd rather live (the US, Australia, etc.) whereas we're just generally dissatisfied without having any better ideas....

Clear Skies · June 19, 2002, 10:22

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Originally posted by Stefu
Hey, Brits, what are the chances that Lib. Dems replace Tories as the second largest party in next election?

Oh, I wish. I wish. Although actually some people are saying it's a real possibility - Iain Duncan Smith has (according to most polls) done even less for his party than Hague before him. By contrast, Kennedy is well-liked (if not wonderfully well-known

) and is seen as by far the most honest of the three leaders.

Lib Dem problem is that they pick up voters from everywhere - Labour, Tory, Old Labour - and so tend to have problems with their policies (they'd really like to be more left-wing, but they'd lose too many votes IMHO). However, they gets combatted by the fact that conference and not the leadership forms policy.

Some polls have the Lib Dems on 22% nationally. If they were actually to get that, it'd be great. People are really, really getting disillusioned with the Government over here.

Arrian · June 19, 2002, 10:26

I wonder what a similar poll taken in the other western democracies would show? Probably not the same degree of self-loathing, but I'd bet a fair amount of dissatisfaction all around.

-Arrian

SlowwHand · June 19, 2002, 10:28

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Originally posted by MikeH
YAY!!!!

The youth feels the same as me!

I can't decide. Is that redundant, or rhetorical ?

DinoDoc · June 19, 2002, 10:30

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Originally posted by red_jon
National Pride

- 83% would leave Britain permanently to live abroad.
- 65% have felt ashamed to be British (the main reasons being violence and football hooliganism).

Is crime and football hooliganism that bad in the UK?

SlowwHand · June 19, 2002, 10:32

Soccer hooliganism is, for sure.

Boris Godunov · June 19, 2002, 10:33

Polls among the U.S. youth, while certainly not nearly as much as this one, show they are also dissatisfied with the entrenched parties, more liberal in their mindset and more prone to thinking the grass is greener elsewhere. I think it's a trend 'round the world.

Progressivism always wins, eventually. Too bad the right wing can't just roll over and die quickly...

red_jon · June 19, 2002, 10:34

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Originally posted by DinoDoc

Is crime and football hooliganism that bad in the UK?

Crime is pathetically bad in my area - mainly because there are drunken gangs on the street virtually every night and it's months since I saw a police officer.

Football hooligans are very annoying. I think they should have their passports revoked permanently . They don't deserve to travel the world if that's how they behave.

Clear Skies · June 19, 2002, 10:57

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Originally posted by red_jon
Football hooligans are very annoying. I think they should have their passports revoked permanently . They don't deserve to travel the world if that's how they behave.

DinoDoc · June 19, 2002, 11:00

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Originally posted by red_jon
Football hooligans are very annoying. I think they should have their passports revoked permanently . They don't deserve to travel the world if that's
how they behave.

Why not just exile them to Australia like you used to?

Solly · June 19, 2002, 11:03

Young generations have not learnt to think properly about politics or economics, and insetad follow the selfish left-wing paths they are expected to take.

Tolls · June 19, 2002, 11:04

"Why not just exile them to Australia like you used to?"

On a similar line, why can't we let them out of the country and not let them back?

Either that or banish them to Merthyr Tydfil...

Solly · June 19, 2002, 11:05

"Crime is pathetically bad in my area - mainly because there are drunken gangs on the street virtually every night and it's months since I saw a police officer"

I tend to see police every day, it's probably why we have some of the lowest crime rates in the UK.

Arrian · June 19, 2002, 11:12

By the way, how is this "scathing" for Blair? I'd say it's scathing for the establishment in general... not that the establishment cares about an age group that tends toward low voter turnout (at least they do here).

-Arrian

C0ckney · June 19, 2002, 11:14

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Originally posted by DinoDoc

Why not just exile them to Australia like you used to?

You want more people like AH posting here

Sixchan · June 19, 2002, 11:15

Humph.

I've been burgled twice, and I moved here because my old neighbour hood, where I wasn't burgled, had too much crime. No-where is safe, and we need a much tougher line on criminals.

Solly · June 19, 2002, 11:20

I woke up one morning in my Aber house, and found the front door ajar. One of us had forgotten to shut the night before - nowhere else would it be safe to do that!

DinoDoc · June 19, 2002, 11:22

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Originally posted by C0ckney
You want more people like AH posting here

Yes.

Lincoln · June 19, 2002, 11:22

So is that the only safe place in England?

Solly · June 19, 2002, 11:25

No.

MikeH · June 19, 2002, 11:27

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Originally posted by Boddington's
I woke up one morning in my Aber house, and found the front door ajar. One of us had forgotten to shut the night before - nowhere else would it be safe to do that!

I've done that in Reading except it was wide open.

Lincoln · June 19, 2002, 11:28

I haven't locked my door in years. Of course I live in the United States...

Solly · June 19, 2002, 11:28

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Originally posted by MikeH

I've done that in Reading except it was wide open.

Was it safe to do so?