Scathing poll for Blair... - Page 4

JohnIII · June 20, 2002, 16:46

Sixchan, your profile says that you are English, so why are you upset about 66?

BTW, we were even better in 70. But no-one kicked Brazil off the pitch for us, that time.

Sixchan · June 20, 2002, 16:58

It says my last name is English.

I was born and raised in Glasgow.

JohnIII · June 20, 2002, 17:15

Yes, you see that was a joke.

Obviously being born and raised in Glasgow might have impaired your sense of humour, though. You probably like Rab C Nesbitt.

Ned · June 20, 2002, 17:18

Well, guys, despite some lapses such as your treatment of the Irish (I am party of Irish descent), I think you have a lot to be proud of. You should take pride in America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Our culture and our laws are basically English.

India and Pakistan have large strains of Englihs culture in their systems.

You have done well by humanity.

If I were England, I too would be very leary of joining a EU dominated by France and Germany. You should, instead, seek closer relations with your offspring, including the United States. I think some of the gloom has to be caused by the EU situation.

Clear Skies · June 20, 2002, 17:21

Well there's an unqualified statement if ever I saw one. britain can't just up moorings and sail across the Atlantic. I say get friendly with your neighbours first, then start thinking about outreach further.

JohnIII · June 20, 2002, 17:24

We will get friendly if we win the World Cup. No sooner.

Sixchan · June 20, 2002, 17:25

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Yes, you see that was a joke.

Obviously being born and raised in Glasgow might have impaired your sense of humour, though. You probably like Rab C Nesbitt.

That was a joke? Can you think of another reason I might not have known?

Personally, my tastes in comedy lean towards American Sitcoms and Stand-Up Comedy.

JohnIII · June 20, 2002, 17:28

Like I said, Rab C Nesbitt.

Seneca · June 20, 2002, 17:41

Also a very exciting time culturally - what with the Beatles in their prime and winning the world cup, it must have seemed like we still ruled the world even without an empire.

sigh.....

Seneca · June 20, 2002, 17:53

Hang on, I've just found out this is an internet poll, thus somewhat self-selecting....

Ned · June 20, 2002, 17:53

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Originally posted by Clear Skies
Well there's an unqualified statement if ever I saw one. britain can't just up moorings and sail across the Atlantic. I say get friendly with your neighbours first, then start thinking about outreach further.

Yeah, but Clear Skies. If the UK is sucked into the EU, we may have lost you forever to the dark side.

*End Is Forever* · June 20, 2002, 17:59

monolith94 · June 20, 2002, 18:49

What is this misconception that the left ignores/promotes crime elements in society?

Left wingers like to live in safe neighborhoods just as much as right wingers do…

Seneca · June 20, 2002, 19:11

And moreover we like to see solutions to crime that actually work, such as greater equality.

Ned · June 20, 2002, 19:32

Seneca, Or, eliminating the death penalty.

Ned · June 20, 2002, 19:35

Actually, is crime a left-right issue in the UK? I get the import of monolith94's post that it is not.

red_jon · June 21, 2002, 09:48

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Originally posted by Ned
Actually, is crime a left-right issue in the UK? I get the import of monolith94's post that it is not.

Not really, the Tories winge about crime but they'd winge about there being too many policemen if Labour brought in more.

The right just seem to complain about anything Labour do.

Quick! We must all vote Lib Dem!

Solly · June 21, 2002, 09:56

I'd prefer to vote Lib Dem than Tory.

There's no decent British right-wing party.

red_jon · June 21, 2002, 09:58

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Originally posted by Boddington's
I'd prefer to vote Lib Dem than Tory.

There's no decent British right-wing party.

The Tories need to become more right-liberal (classical liberal) than right-authoritarian if they hope to regain votes.

Solly · June 21, 2002, 10:00

Yep, more libertarian.

*End Is Forever* · June 21, 2002, 10:01

The Liberal Democrats have one excellent policy on crime, and that is the legalisation of cannabis. It's unfortunate that many Conservative members do not see this...

Clear Skies · June 21, 2002, 10:01

Let's face it, Iain Duncan Smith has done SO little to improve the fortunes of the Tories. Britain was once described as 'a Conservative country which occasionally votes Labour' - that has been completely turned around. The Tories are really, really struggling - the media are being a far more potent opposition to the Government than they themselves are. Portillo or Clarke would have been thousands of times better than IDS - even Widdecombe would have done more for them.

red_jon · June 21, 2002, 10:03

It will happen, even the Tories aren't stupid enough to carry on like this after the next election.

But even if they do become pro-gay rights, I still won't vote for them. I'm a lefty, after all

Solly · June 21, 2002, 10:03

They should be pro-everyone's rights; no differentiation or special groups.

Solly · June 21, 2002, 10:04

End this "equal opportunities" bollocks that really means better opportunities if you look a bit different.

Clear Skies · June 21, 2002, 10:06

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Originally posted by Boddington's
They should be pro-everyone's rights; no differentiation or special groups.

Does that include non-English speakers?

*End Is Forever* · June 21, 2002, 10:07

Of course, Clear Skies, Britain was a "Conservative country that occasionally votes Labour" back when Labour was a socialist party which, although it has socialist members, it is no longer.

I didn't hold out much hope for IDS. Unfortunately, he was always going to win the leadership contest; Clarke would've caused the party to fall apart over Europe, and whilst I agree with much of what Portillo and his supporters believe and say, there was always the lingering suspicion that he wasn't the right person for the job, even if he had the right policies.

IDS has been better than I expected. Perhaps he can be the "Kinnock" of the Conservative Party, dragging the right of the party back towards the centre. I can't see him ever becoming Prime Minister though - unless Labour monumentally **** up.

red_jon · June 21, 2002, 10:07

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Originally posted by Boddington's
They should be pro-everyone's rights; no differentiation or special groups.

Then surely that would mean gay people should recieve 100% the same rights as straight people? Legalising gay marraige, abolishing section 28, etc.

Solly · June 21, 2002, 10:07

What's your point?

It's an employer's choice who he employs.

Solly · June 21, 2002, 10:09

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Originally posted by red_jon

Then surely that would mean gay people should recieve 100% the same rights as straight people? Legalising gay marraige, abolishing section 28, etc.

Marriage is an institution for enabling a stable family home for couples wanting to bring children into this world. Marriage is for man and woman.

Gays should not raise children.