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Old June 20, 2002, 20:57   #1
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What's the deal with the cityid.txt? From what I can tell, it's just a numbering of the city sprites, but not their sprite#'s. What's the point of it? and why are the Asian and Roman cities in one row while the the arab cities are in another? Does this file do anything that I should be concerned with when making a scenario that changes the city sprites?
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Old June 21, 2002, 01:23   #2
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Those are left overs from CTP1.
Seems like the Activisions programmers knew about the importance of mods and left to CTP2 almost all files from CTP1 includind terrain improvements, unit sprites, slic functions and (as the one you found) text files.
Just dont bother with it. It does not mean anything.
The only use i can think for it is reference when getting stuff from CTP1. Only that.
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That's kind of what I was asssuming, because I seem to recall reading about leftovers from CTP1 in another thread. One thing that I do know about this file, however, is that the game can't function without it. (I actually tried to start a game without it present, and baboom the game wouldn't start because it couldn't find cityid.txt )
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Thats kind of funny.



Thats because it is in the gamefile.txt data although it is useless.
As the others obsolete file.
I am almost sure that if you take its line off the gamefile.txt it wont change the game.
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Thats because it is in the gamefile.txt data although it is useless.
As the others obsolete file.
I am almost sure that if you take its line off the gamefile.txt it wont change the game.
But if you delete the entry in this line you should leave the according line at least empty, because the game don't recognize the files by name but by position in the gamefile.txt.

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But if you delete the entry in this line you should leave the according line at least empty, because the game don't recognize the files by name but by position in the gamefile.txt.

So thats how the game recognizes what is wonder, what is unit and what is building.
I always wondered since in the language gamedata folder things can be more freely organized (eg. Like having all lines in one txt file) while the default game thing are more strict (eg. you MUST have the buildings in building.txt).

I always thought this was due to the prefix IMPROVE_*, WONDER_*, UNIT_*, CONCEPT_*, ADVANCE_*,... (Yet i always thougt something was wrong with this point of view.

Thanks for clear that up to me, Martin
PS: I hope i am correct

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So far as I understood it you can use your own prefixes instead of the ones used in the text files.

--By the way first we have to talk about the fourth trophy before we can go to fith one.

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Pedrunn,

Congrats on the game last Friday.

I trust you two will still be talking to each other after next weekend.
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So far as I understood it you can use your own prefixes instead of the ones used in the text files.
Yep. And the Game will recognize what it is (building, advance, wonder, unit...) because it all depends on what gamefile it is (if building.txt, advance.txt, unit.txt, wonder.txt).
And the game will also know what gamefile it is depending on wich position it is in the gamedata.txt.
This is what i am guessing.

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Brazil won the 1958, 1962, 1970 and 1994 world cups.
The only countries that have four world cup is Brazil and Italy. Germany comes right behind with three.
We are playing for the fifth now to get the world cups lead again.

(Actually we have none, since the the trophy is temporary)

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Congrats on the game last Friday.
thanks. it was the our best play even though it was the most difficult game
Congrats to england too.

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I trust you two will still be talking to each other after next weekend.

Someone had to warm things up here around the weekend


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Germany comes right behind with three.
Yes and therefore we have to go to the fourth, before we can to the fifth in the own country. You know what I mean.

To go back to CTP2, what about a periodicly occuring event, called football world team cup (don't know how it is actual called in English). You could train your team and if you get the cup your civ would get a happiness bonus for x turns.

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Yes and therefore we have to go to the fourth, before we can to the fifth in the own country. You know what I mean.
There is always another world cup in four years for you.
We cant wait you guys to keep up with us


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To go back to CTP2, what about a periodicly occuring event, called football world team cup (don't know how it is actual called in English). You could train your team and if you get the cup your civ would get a happiness bonus for x turns.

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We are getting in the world cup enviroment, arent we

What about...
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"Congratulations, our migthy country have won the soccer world cup. We are the champions. Our amazing atlhetes parade have been watched by thousands. Are people is extremly happy. You will get a x bonus in happiness."

This event can be called olympics in the early ages, cavalry disput in middle ages.
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sounds very possible pedrun

sorry I am from now on supporting Germany I just want to see that grin of your

could be part of a bigger squad like bullied a football stadium in your civ and you get the chance of getting a better player.( not to mention when you get the genome project)

then have money for training how much you are going to set aside for them and if you host it you also get a boost.
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There is always another world cup in four years for you.
No, that one is ours

In the meantime: Go Korea! Go Guus!
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Being that I'm American, I'm still a little miffed that we couldn't make it past Martin's countrymen in the quarter finals
...but, making it to the quarter finals was actually quite impressive for us, considering that to most Americans, football is a game that involves putting on pads, and tackling the person with the ball before they make it to the endzone...
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There is always another world cup in four years for you.
Yes and in four years you will tell me that there is another world cup for us. There is something wrong with it. Therefore my conclusion is first winning the fourth one and in four years getting the fifth one with the power of the twelfth man.

Back to CTP2 I considered an advance say - football, once you discovered it you can build football arenas and when you have a certain number of stadiums you get a probability of x to organize the world cup.

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Go Korea! Go Guus!
Korea need it in the match for rank three.

BTW: Locutus you returned a little bit to early from Asia, the final is not over, yet. Yes now we all know what you actual wanted there.

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Yes and in four years you will tell me that there is another world cup for us.
Thats the idea

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In the meantime: Go Korea! Go Guus!
As i see in TV it is better he tries to be president rather than coach now
Yet Korea's capaign was really impressive!

Congratulations, Martin!

PS: I gave wrong info, Italy just have 3 world cups and not 4.
Brazil is the only four times champion.
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Centrifuge I am just glad you haven’t called it soccer. It is something we English get a bit mad about being that your American football is just an off shoot of the English game of rugby.
( the main difference being you can pass forward and in American football and you get padded up so you can get hurt.)

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Big Mc, Do you mean that it's not called soccer? I always just assumed that America was right and that the rest of the world was wrong J/K

Rugby, is a very fun(and tiring!!) game, I've played a little of it(very little), with a club at my university. I agree that when American football was introduced, it probably was greatly influenced by Rugby. Nowadays, however, U.S. Football, is an entirely different sport with a completely different set of rules. Comparing the two is kind of like comparing CTP2 to Civ3 only not as closely related.

As far as injuries in American Football, they are numerous and widespread. Remember, that those pads not only allow a person to get hit harder, but also to hit harder. There are constantly people becoming paralyzed and at times even dying. I once received a mild concussion, and still have a good sized scar on my knee just from my high school football days (State Champions Baby ). Call Rugby a tougher sport if you want (it may very well be) but I couldn't imagine playing football without pads.

Also, just out of curiosity, isn't baseball an offshoot of Cricket? I know very little about cricket, so I can't make a fair comparison.
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So, is Pedrunn and Martin going to make any bets now????
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No, that one is ours
Assuming you qualify

Oh, and go Germany

(that way we can say we beat the world champs 5-1 )
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I bet my ragged socks!

Dont be sad, Martin! Second is always terrific position!

Doesnt anybody is cheering Brazil Just me?
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Yes and in four years you will tell me that there is another world cup for us. There is something wrong with it. Therefore my conclusion is first winning the fourth one and in four years getting the fifth one with the power of the twelfth man.
Sorry to disappoint you Martin, but Germany has special memories for us, so we'll take the next one home See you in Berlin though

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I wish it were true Martin, but Asia's very big... I wasn't even in the right time zone (although those timezones still were a hell-of-a-lot better than the one we're in now). I'm afraid I didn't see a single match while I was there, on tv or otherwise

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$^@%!^@&*!

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Hmm, ordinarily I would be for Brazil, but that's an interesting way to look at it. That way we could say we beat the world champion with 5-0 And IIRC we beat you with 2-0 not too long ago
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I'm with Pedrunn - go Brazil! some of us haven't forgot the war(s) and the shrapnel in my leg gives me real jip in the winter!( )













[NOTE: this a sick joke sort of inspired by the odd monty python scene]
Hmmmmm.......I think we've matured into a good football nation, i don't think we'd be scared to take on the Netherlands next time, and win
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I bet my ragged socks!
Do mean you mean you can bet your ragged socks, because your team plays like ragged socks. I am afraid Pedrunn that this is not enough to make your team.

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Dont be sad, Martin! Second is always terrific position!
Keep this in mind Pedrunn. By the way congratulations to rank two in this tournerment.

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Doesnt anybody is cheering Brazil Just me?
Maybe because Brasil won enough titles already.

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Do mean you mean you can bet your ragged socks, because your team plays like ragged socks. I am afraid Pedrunn that this is not enough to make your team.
I'am just afraid that if we start raising the bets it may cost me really too much.

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Keep this in mind Pedrunn. By the way congratulations to rank two in this tournerment.

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Maybe because Brasil won enough titles already.
Not enough for me

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just remember football was invented in England and so was rugby so you know something we have to be right.
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I'm with Pedrunn - go Brazil! some of us haven't forgot the war(s) and the shrapnel in my leg gives me real jip in the winter!( )
Regardless of Ben's reasoning, I'm with ya! Go Brazil!

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