Random Start

C-F-G · June 21, 2002, 00:46

Every time I play MP I'm annoyed, cause the Host takes white and moves first therefore.
Does anyone have an idea, how to change the game files, so it is random, what player (colour) starts first?

Hydey · June 21, 2002, 06:38

I often host and never take white

Dank · June 21, 2002, 07:00

Maybe I'm just lazy......but I've never noticed if color is a issue in the the order of play.....guess it is

DrFell · June 21, 2002, 07:10

Lol, you never knew that? Red moves first, then white->purple

There is no way of changing the order.

Ming · June 21, 2002, 07:30

Some consider going first a disadvantage...
If barbs show up, you don't have time to rush build a unit. People not going first do

Hydey · June 21, 2002, 07:31

It really matters when both of you land the spacship in the same year

rah · June 21, 2002, 09:15

I host all the time, and I never take white.

War4ever · June 21, 2002, 09:54

i always play purple

C-F-G · June 21, 2002, 10:01

I don't asked, if you take white or not - I need HELP

P.S.

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Originally posted by Hydey
It really matters when both of you land the spacship in the same year

It matters too, if you build a wonder

Ming · June 21, 2002, 10:16

There is no help to be had. All you can really do is discuss civ selection before the game. There is nothing out there to "randomize" it.

And again... I hate going first. Granted, yeah, it might get you a wonder... but if two archers drop off a ship next to your capital on surprise, I would much rather have the opportunity to rush build some kind of defense then lose my capital because I was going first

War4ever · June 21, 2002, 10:33

i like to go last....go gremany.............wooooohooooooo world cup fever ....

see everyone tonite if i don't pass out ifrst...no sleep...too many beers..and some bastard brought three bottles (large uns) of sake....gosh drarn i can't seen teh screen

on topoic....you play by color...deal with it...you dont' like white,, don't go first....its quite simple

rah · June 21, 2002, 10:42

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Originally posted by C-F-G
I don't asked, if you take white or not - I need HELP

P.S. It matters too, if you build a wonder

Then either host or find another host that doesn't like white. There seems to be quite a few looking at the posts here.

RAH

Caesar the Great · June 21, 2002, 11:59

Rome forever!

atawa · June 21, 2002, 12:21

Depending on number of players and islands playing white can actualy be a disadvantage, like always it all depends on settings.

C-F-G · June 21, 2002, 12:58

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Originally posted by Ming And again... I hate going first. Granted, yeah, it might get you a wonder... but if two archers drop off a ship next to your capital on surprise, I would much rather have the opportunity to rush build some kind of defense then lose my capital because I was going first

You mean barbarians? I always play with "villages only"

Caesar the Great · June 21, 2002, 13:31

it really doesn't matter that much...... especially if you're still playing with villages only

markusf · June 21, 2002, 13:39

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Originally posted by atawa
Depending on number of players and islands playing white can actualy be a disadvantage, like always it all depends on settings.

Playing rome is always a disadvantage, they face a huge science penalty.

-Jrabbit · June 21, 2002, 14:24

My color preference is basid on legibility and visibility.

So I like white, yellow, cyan (lt. blue), green, and orange for ease of reading with my old, tired eyes.

But it doesn't end there. I'll pick almost any civ, regardless of color, if I'm in the mood for certain city name sequences.

The only one I really hate is the Aztecs, cuz the city names are so odd and similar to each other.

Tlateloco, anyone?

Baron O · June 21, 2002, 15:29

as mentioned earlier the only true advantage to white is that you build wonders 1st.

most games i play white because i have been asked to by a certin host so he can rename his civ

i don't see many advantages but i live with it

markusf · June 21, 2002, 16:11

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Originally posted by dabarono
as mentioned earlier the only true advantage to white is that you build wonders 1st.

most games i play white because i have been asked to by a certin host so he can rename his civ

i don't see many advantages but i live with it

I fail to understand, how you can get to a wonder tech first if you face a science penalty no other player does?

DrFell · June 21, 2002, 19:11

Please explain this science penalty to us oh great one...

DrFell · June 21, 2002, 19:13

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Originally posted by -Jrabbit
The only one I really hate is the Aztecs, cuz the city names are so odd and similar to each other.

Tlateloco, anyone?

Hehe, Tlatelolco was one of the few ones I remember.

markusf · June 21, 2002, 20:05

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Originally posted by DrFell
Please explain this science penalty to us oh great one...

I thought everyone know this already, you play white you beaker cost is higher then anyone elses to get a tech. Go to the civ2 strat section and read up on key civs.

DrFell · June 22, 2002, 04:25

Already know the key civ stuff, it all depends on what techs the other civs have and your power ratings. White doesn't have any disadvantage.

markusf · June 22, 2002, 04:33

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Originally posted by DrFell
Already know the key civ stuff, it all depends on what techs the other civs have and your power ratings. White doesn't have any disadvantage.

white always moves first, so its initial techs will have a penalty. If white discouvers alpha first its cheaper for all other civs etc. Go read the posts about never play romans or sioux.

Chris 62 · June 22, 2002, 06:11

You can change all the civ colors, not the turn order, by changing the colors on the cities.gif.

All this does is change the color of the flags, and the names of the cities and civs will appear in the new colors.

You can custom name the civ anything, and you can alter the city name list by changing the cities.txt.

Look at the attached cities.gif, the thing to change is in the lower left corner, the bar above the flag determins the civ color.

June 23, 2002, 04:41

Damn and i liked the sioux too

Ming · June 23, 2002, 11:32

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Originally posted by markusf
white always moves first, so its initial techs will have a penalty. If white discouvers alpha first its cheaper for all other civs etc. Go read the posts about never play romans or sioux.

But you are assuming that just because white goes first, that they will be the first to the early sciences. If the second player (or any other) has better trade specials available....

War4ever · June 23, 2002, 18:08

with many of the players being great expanders, it really comes down to land, huts and guile....who goes first is irrelevant other than wonders and kings.....

the only question you need to ponder, is how far do i walk with that set.....do i take the land behind me to use trade specials or do i press on and hope i can block/find more land and backfill later.....its a toss up of course and depends on the proximity of your neighbors

markusf · June 23, 2002, 19:24

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Originally posted by Ming

But you are assuming that just because white goes first, that they will be the first to the early sciences. If the second player (or any other) has better trade specials available....

test it out, the key civ thing goes by powergraph AND civ color.