Minister of Imperial Expansion Campaign Thread - Page 2

Harovan · June 22, 2002, 17:14

So why can't he tell us that himself?

Who supports Jonny, supports more jungle cities and corrupt ones, just like those he proposed in his illegitimate thread and such like already built. We can't afford more workers to clean more jungle cities. We have only one productive.

Timeline · June 22, 2002, 17:44

Skywalker was/is the largest supporter of jungle cities> He pushed more than anyone for me to build "Thebes" where it is now...

My personal opinion is: Skywalker has no idea what he is doing. He is a "puppet" for the Imperialist/PFC assembly.

Kuciwalker · June 22, 2002, 18:06

At the time, that was the best city site. You supported that decision too. I've defended your decision there; if my support was wrong, then you were doubly incompetent.

Sir Ralph, thank you for that suggestion. I generally don't build overlapping cities, so I didn't think of that. I'll put a lot of consideration into that.

Panag · June 22, 2002, 18:08

Quote:

Originally posted by Timeline
Skywalker was/is the largest supporter of jungle cities> He pushed more than anyone for me to build "Thebes" where it is now...

My personal opinion is: Skywalker has no idea what he is doing. He is a "puppet" for the Imperialist/PFC assembly.

hi ,

what should he have done , walk around more , ....

you cant blame him for the fact that the gods put us where we are now , ....

have a nice day

Kuciwalker · June 22, 2002, 18:09

Thank you panag.

Harovan · June 22, 2002, 18:13

That is all I want. When starting on a bad position, we need sometimes to reconsider our usual behavior. What use do we have from well-placed cities, if they do not grow and reproduce? We already have one jungle city. It can with a big effort get 2 productive tiles in 17 turns. After this, the new to built city should be improved with workers. Again clearing jungle would last too long. You are a warmonger. Jungle cities don't produce units, at least not quick enough. An archer in 20 turns, anyone?

Panag · June 22, 2002, 18:20

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Originally posted by Sir Ralph
That is all I want. When starting on a bad position, we need sometimes to reconsider our usual behavior. What use do we have from well-placed cities, if they do not grow and reproduce? We already have one jungle city. It can with a big effort get 2 productive tiles in 17 turns. After this, the new to built city should be improved with workers. Again clearing jungle would last too long. You are a warmonger. Jungle cities don't produce units, at least not quick enough. An archer in 20 turns, anyone?

hi ,

look , nothing is lost , okay it shall take longer to civilize the surroundings of the jungle , but , they dont have to be the "key" in the nation , they could develop slowly , with the jungle cut down , and the bonus grassland irrigated , and the none B grass reforested they could do well by the third era , ... good enough to produce those few extra units that will make the difference , .....

have a nice day

Kingof the Apes · June 22, 2002, 18:24

Right now we should build workers more than settlers, as we need to clear land and there is no place to build a good city.

Panag · June 22, 2002, 18:59

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Originally posted by Kingof the Apes
Right now we should build workers more than settlers, as we need to clear land and there is no place to build a good city.

hi ,

there is land , after the jungle , ...

have a nice day

Jonny · June 22, 2002, 19:15

Sir Ralph:

How is my thread illegitimate?

And about me supporting jungle cities and corrupt cities: they're about the only things we have. So what if you have one good city site: where are going to build the cities after that?

And about your city site: It will probably only have one shield a turn, too, just like any other jungle city. Only one of those grassland squares have a shield, and the one with a shield is being used by Apolyton.

By the way, next time you (or anyone) have an idea about where to build a city, tell the IE Minister. We can't read your minds, you know.

Remember, Vote for Jonny. I listen to all the people and value their opinions, as I said earlier.

Don't vote for the UFC candidate! He seems to be a puppet for the UFC, and some of his supporters seem to be falling to the low level of having to use a 'smear campaign.'

Inverse Icarus · June 22, 2002, 19:18

Quote:

Originally posted by Jonny
Don't vote for the UFC candidate! He seems to be a puppet for the UFC, and his supporters seem to be falling to the low level of having to use a 'smear campaign.'

i take offense to that.

Jonny · June 22, 2002, 19:25

Woah, that was a major typo on my part.

It should have said "some of his supporters."

My apologies to those who were offended that shouldn't have been offended.

Harovan · June 22, 2002, 19:36

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Originally posted by Jonny
How is my thread illegitimate?

You have no right to take "official" polls until you are elected.

Quote:

And about me supporting jungle cities and corrupt cities: they're about the only things we have. So what if you have one good city site: where are going to build the cities after that?

I begin feel like a parrot. Everybody wants me to repeat the same. Ok, for those who understand slowly, here's the plan:

- Build 1 or even 2 more productive cities (see nye's plan, it's pretty good)
- Build barracks
- Build 6 archers and 2 spears
- give them to UberKrux, he'll make you space to settle.
- Build reinforcements
- Enjoy 1-2 cities, 2-3 techs and more room to settle he'll beat out of the French

The other plan is:

- Build more jungle cities
- Clean the jungle tiles
- In the early AD's we can have 4 productive cities.
- The same time the AI has 12 or 15 and is 10 techs ahead. Each.
- The game is most likely lost.

Simple.

You have the choice.

civman2000 · June 22, 2002, 23:31

Ralph: look at the poll thread, I explained exactly how the poll is legitimate by the code of laws. I'm beginning to feel like a parrot too

Harovan · June 23, 2002, 03:21

If you call the unfinished constitution (which you are opposed to, btw) "code of laws", there is nothing about "deputies". Care to provide a link, fearless keeper of law and order?

civman2000 · June 23, 2002, 07:31

The code of laws says:
"Impeachment:
All members of our great nation are recognized the right to bring foreword the issue of impeachment of any government official at any time.

A poll will be posted which will expire in no less than 5 days. There are to be three poll options, yea, nay, and abstain. Upon the expiration of the poll, if 2/3 of the people who voted deem impeachment necessary, then the official shall be immediately removed from office. The President shall establish an emergency member to take his/her place until a new election can be held, and a new person voted into office to finish the term. The same holds true for any possible resignations."

Johnny is that person. SInce there is no info on resignation I think we can assume it works the same in that case.

Timeline · June 23, 2002, 10:13

Look Ralph, I have not been impeached nor have I resigned, you can find no where that I did.

Out of respect for Trip's decision I have decided to stay back from IE work for a while and just serve in an advisory role to Jonny. This is because the President feels I should not continue my work here while running for another office. Although I disagree, I respect his decision because he is our leader.

Jonny has FULL AUTHORITY to take any action granted to that of the Imperial Expansion Minister, this is based on two grounds:

He was appointed by me as Deputy to take over should I ever be unable to.

He was the second most voted for candidate in the last election, making him the people's second choice.

That simple. This office requests you no longer declare his posts and polls illegitimate, as these allegations are incorrect.

Thank you.

civman2000 · June 23, 2002, 10:16

TImeline: THose two reasons can still be rejected by our opponents because it is not in the code of laws. Thus there is a third reason that I mentioned above

Harovan · June 23, 2002, 11:35

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Originally posted by civman2000
The President shall establish an emergency member to take his/her place until a new election can be helt

So has Trip established this "emergency member"? I must have missed that. Timeline is not the president. He may establish whom he wants and it's still not rightful.

Timeline · June 23, 2002, 11:38

Clearly, I am still in the position of "acting IE Minister" until the soon-to-be elections are held and I am replaced by either Skywalker or Jonny. Pending that election, I am responsible for all duties pertaining to this office.

Now, that being said, President Trip has requested I not exercise these authorities while running for another office. Now, under protest, I have chosen to respect that decision, and have allowed Jonny to oversee these responsibilities instead.

Harovan · June 23, 2002, 11:49

My only concern is, that Jonny might hinder our collective effort, see Case Pink. He has proven, that he is not willing to take advice, with his words "if you don't like my ideas, run against me". And he has not approved the plan yet. I would feel better, if Timeline would simply remain in the office till the elections.

Inverse Icarus · June 23, 2002, 13:53

Quote:

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
My only concern is, that Jonny might hinder our collective effort, see Case Pink. He has proven, that he is not willing to take advice, with his words "if you don't like my ideas, run against me". And he has not approved the plan yet. I would feel better, if Timeline would simply remain in the office till the elections.

anti-jonny position

pro-timeline position

Kuciwalker · June 23, 2002, 14:31

Sir Ralph is pretty good overall.

Jonny · June 24, 2002, 14:21

**bump**

Kuciwalker · June 24, 2002, 14:24

I think you should elect me for the post of Imperial Expansion Minister because:

I support a policy of rapid expansion that doesn't hurt our military or cause serious corruption problems.

I am on almost every day (I might miss a day or two per month) and will be available to listen to your opinions.

I won't follow a course of action until I am sure what the people want.

I will consider (in my report) every option proposed to me when advising our President, but will support whichever has the most votes.

I promise free bananas for all!

Panag · June 24, 2002, 14:25

Quote:

Originally posted by skywalker
I think you should elect me for the post of Imperial Expansion Minister because:

I support a policy of rapid expansion that doesn't hurt our military or cause serious corruption problems.

I am on almost every day (I might miss a day or two per month) and will be available to listen to your opinions.

I won't follow a course of action until I am sure what the people want.

I will consider (in my report) every option proposed to me when advising our President, but will support whichever has the most votes.

I promise free bananas for all!

hi ,

, and what if you break your promises , ....

have a nice day