MIC - Military/Expansion Council

Kuciwalker · June 23, 2002, 15:54

EDIT: Sorry, I got the words "Imperial" and "Expansion" mixed up

This is my proposal:

If I am elected Imperial Expansion Minister, I will establish, on a so far temporary basis, a Military/Expansion Council to coordinate the Army with our expansion plans for the upcoming war with France. This will be headed by the Vice President, and will have the War Minister, UberKruX, and the Imperial Expansion Minister (undecided).

civman2000 · June 23, 2002, 16:02

MIC?? What does that stand for???

Kuciwalker · June 23, 2002, 16:03

oops

Kingof the Apes · June 23, 2002, 16:56

Good idea.

Possibly the Science minister, to coordinate things with Military advisor?

jdd2007 · June 23, 2002, 17:12

excellent. this gives the VP some powers...

Ninot · June 23, 2002, 17:26

good for VP powers.. and good for war-time (as we are in now). But will this role be kept in peacetime?

I only have one problem with it tho. It's (seems to be) just as usefull as the SMC and the IEM getting together in a chat.

What will be its proposed powers and purposes?

BTW, if it does have powers, its gotta be ammended to the constitution by a vote, right?

But, I can see this role being very usefull, especially in an environment like the one we are in now... wartime

Timeline · June 24, 2002, 00:28

Skywalker, always trying to secure more votes by promising useless "vapor" candy

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This office is unneeded, and it would be far better to merge the SMC into CTED (City Planner, IE, Public Works). After all, the SMC is going to need to talk to the City Planner just as much (if not more) than the Imperial Expansion Minister. This also prevents us from making what would be a useless office, and at the same time making the one we have stronger and more efficient.

civman2000 · June 24, 2002, 07:35

I agree with Timeline. The last thing we need is more little councils

Kuciwalker · June 24, 2002, 07:46

Actually, more councils is my idea. They could be two-person councils with the VP heading them. This really expands the power of the VP. They don't have any official powers - just like the CTED - so Constitutional amendments are unneeded. The MEC will end at the completion of the war, but might be resurrected if/when needed.

Papa Chubby · June 24, 2002, 07:54

I disagree to the fact that we need more councils, all of us have been playing Civ 3 for some time, and probably ar old Civ 2 veterans as well. The point being we don´t need to debate every little issue, it would merely slow down the game.
Though it would add to the feel and flavour of just how democratic this game is.

Kuciwalker · June 24, 2002, 08:03

I didn't say that we need more councils. It's meant to enhance the democratic part of the game, not gameplay. Just like parties.

Timeline · June 24, 2002, 09:00

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IE can control the rest of the CTED. Moreover, I can dissolve the CTED, getting rid of that DIA bastion (after breaching the walls with my election), and set up a MIC - Military/Expansion Coucil.

The UFC are known for their anti power for the people policy. Skywalker forgets the CTED was voting for by the people, but will blatantly ignore their wishes by dissolving this so far efficient council in favor of one he can't even spell the name of or abbreviate properly. Good work Skywalker, shows alot of promise!

Furthermore, he is shamelessly showing us that he will simply use his position as a tool for his party, is this the kind of man you will vote for?

We want to build an efficient democracy, not a blundering bureaucracy. Keep what works trash what doesn't! Vote for Jonny and vote for better government!

Kuciwalker · June 24, 2002, 10:53

CTED was voted for by the people? I though it was just created. If the people want it, I'll keep it. If they don't, I'll get rid of it. We haven't seen much of Jonny, so we don't know what the heck he would do.

Inverse Icarus · June 24, 2002, 12:14

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Originally posted by skywalker
CTED was voted for by the people? I though it was just created. If the people want it, I'll keep it. If they don't, I'll get rid of it. We haven't seen much of Jonny, so we don't know what the heck he would do.

it was voted for. i warned of possible corruption.

i've been pretty right this game havent i?

Kuciwalker · June 24, 2002, 12:19

Yep.

Timeline · June 24, 2002, 12:20

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Originally posted by UberKruX

it was voted for. i warned of possible corruption.

i've been pretty right this game havent i?

The CTED is not not corrupted, and there is no evidence to indicate that. In fact, I find that last statement very ignorant.

The CTED is only a place where 3 ministers talk about city placement/improvement/production, and that's it. It is just plain silly to say that something is corrupted when all it is are 3 people talking. I have even suggested in the past adding the SMC as a member, but you just scoffed at it.

UnOrthOdOx · June 24, 2002, 12:39

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The UFC are known for their anti power for the people policy. Skywalker forgets the CTED was voting for by the people, but will blatantly ignore their wishes by dissolving this so far efficient council in favor of one he can't even spell the name of or abbreviate properly. Good work Skywalker, shows alot of promise!

Now we are down to attacking people's spelling? And since when is the UFC known for anit power for people? Last I checked it was simply pro military expansion, specifically against France. I have seen nothing from them to be anti power to the people.

Can we all just be a bit more constructive here? Skywalker made a mistake or two with spelling, and wheter the CTED was voted or not. Hell, I am having a hard enough time trying to figure what all is "official" or not. Voted or not. Here the idea Skywalker propsed was quite similar to the CTED, clearly thinking along the same lines, but in a different direction, yet you vehemently oppose...

Calm down a bit. Blatant attacks are not going to improve anything and are going to lead to some bitter rivalries that I believe we would all rather avoid.

So far, Uber, IMO has been the best example of what a leader should be. He proposed a plan, lobied for it, was voted against, and simply made a new plan according to the will of the people.

MrWhereItsAt · June 24, 2002, 12:44

I second that, UnOrthOdOx.

Timeline · June 24, 2002, 12:57

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Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx

Now we are down to attacking people's spelling?

I am just saying, I put alot of work into the CTED making it efficient and useful, and now he wants to tear it all down for some hastily planned council with the SMC as a head. It is simply an attempt to secure power for people with like minds of his.

The CTED is doing an excellent job, and him calling it a DIA bastion shows its all about power and control for him.

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And since when is the UFC known for anit power for people? Last I checked it was simply pro military expansion, specifically against France. I have seen nothing from them to be anti power to the people.

Trip is the president of the UFC correct? He has voted for and supported every possible act that would limit power to the people.

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Can we all just be a bit more constructive here? Here the idea Skywalker propsed was quite similar to the CTED, clearly thinking along the same lines, but in a different direction, yet you vehemently oppose...

I have been contructive, I constructed the CTED, and it works fine, no need to replace it. Take what works and improve it and refine it, don't knock it down for its place to be occupied by something els.

The MIC or MEC or whatever it is is just a pre election attempt to gain last minute support. It is vapor candy. For those who remember, I waited until I was in office to propose the CTED, but some wish to use things for their own advantage.

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Calm down a bit. Blatant attacks are not going to improve anything and are going to lead to some bitter rivalries that I believe we would all rather avoid.

You misunderstood my post if you thought I was not calm. I am simply exposing this pathetic last ditch effort for what it is.

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So far, Uber, IMO has been the best example of what a leader should be. He proposed a plan, lobied for it, was voted against, and simply made a new plan according to the will of the people.

Yea, Uber is okay, I try to like him but whenever I get close he just throws mud in my face. Oh well, I will keep trying.

Gotta go, be back later.

Kuciwalker · June 24, 2002, 13:02

I am not trying to replace the CTED. This serves a different function entirly. The two are not mutually exclusive.

UnOrthOdOx · June 24, 2002, 13:31

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Trip is the president of the UFC correct? He has voted for and supported every possible act that would limit power to the people

That does not mean that the UFC as a whole voted that way. There are issues for a party, then there are issues that individuals must decide. There are also several parties within the Coalition. Each has different views, but are united in the war on France.

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The CTED is doing an excellent job, and him calling it a DIA bastion shows its all about power and control for him.

Yes, I am referring to all sides on this. We need to stop degrading, and start building up. Perhaps he should have instead listed changes he would make to the existing CTED. I, for one, do not understand it, or its purpose. I have not seen reports on its meetings, what is decided, how that decision came about. How is the general citizen to know it is usefull?

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I have been contructive, I constructed the CTED, and it works fine, no need to replace it. Take what works and improve it and refine it, don't knock it down for its place to be occupied by something els.

You are really doing a great job, and alot of work. But, it could have been presented here in a much nicer fashion. State how the CTED works, submit your view that instead of a new commitee, adding the SMC to this would serve the same purpose.

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I am simply exposing this pathetic last ditch effort for what it is.

One could easily argue that this has been an attempt on your part to bulster support for an official that suits your view better, simply on how things have been worded.

civman2000 · June 24, 2002, 18:37

Timeline: I mostly agree with them, you're flaming. It would have been a good idea to include SMC in CTED, IMHO.

jdd2007 · June 24, 2002, 21:23

what kind of a person says,

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he can't even spell the name of or abbreviate properly

he made a 'typo' and quickly corrected his error. also, u said

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Good work Skywalker, shows alot of promise!

that is very constructive.

how do u like sarcasm when its aimed at u?

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Trip is the president of the UFC correct? He has voted for and supported every possible act that would limit power to the people.

every possible act? i dont remember many proposals to limit the power of the majority, much less ones that trip supported.

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You misunderstood my post if you thought I was not calm

we all must of, because u sounded very angry.

Inverse Icarus · June 24, 2002, 23:18

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Originally posted by Timeline

The CTED is not not corrupted, and there is no evidence to indicate that. In fact, I find that last statement very ignorant.

The CTED is only a place where 3 ministers talk about city placement/improvement/production, and that's it. It is just plain silly to say that something is corrupted when all it is are 3 people talking. I have even suggested in the past adding the SMC as a member, but you just scoffed at it.

you built workers and punkbass had no knowledge of such an order...

civman2000 · June 25, 2002, 07:45

although the consensus is that punkbass is not missing in the latest poll, he has not been very active and has done very little when it comes to planning.

Kuciwalker · June 25, 2002, 08:03

However, even if someone isn't there, another minister just can't make decisions for them.

MrWhereItsAt · June 25, 2002, 11:42

A concerted effort needs to be made to find punkbass, and if he can't be found before his Ministry is needed, the VP should do the job! (If we HAVE a VP by then

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jdd2007 · June 25, 2002, 11:52

PUNKBASS IS HERE! HE WAS NEVER GONE!!! HE DIDNT VISIT THE SITE FOR -24- HOURS!!!

Panag · June 25, 2002, 16:48

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Originally posted by skywalker
However, even if someone isn't there, another minister just can't make decisions for them.

hi ,

, maybe if you know that you can not be there , a minister should leave some "orders" , ....

or the president could act in his function , .....

in a counsil , the other members could speak , ...

have a nice day