Form of Government After Espionage is discovered

cavebear · June 24, 2002, 18:28

There are advantages to several forms of government for our assaults on the remaining civs.

We are currently Communist, which balances tech research and production, and eliminates corruption and nearly all unhappiness.

Some are suggesting Fundamentalism, for it's militaristic advantages and gold-accumulating tithes.

Some are pleading for Democracy, for the high research and productivity, and a possible run for Alpha Centuri.

All options are available, since we have the Statue of Liberty and can change at will. Consider the consequences, and vote!

civman2000 · June 24, 2002, 19:00

fundy! fundy!

atawa · June 24, 2002, 19:03

Voted Fundi

Demo and going for AC in this stage of the game would make it kinda

Lets kill those ****** ******!!

-Jrabbit · June 24, 2002, 19:31

I believe my, er, Fundamental feelings on the topic are well known.

H Tower · June 24, 2002, 20:07

Soon to Be High Priest CaveBear, I salute you!

cavebear · June 24, 2002, 21:51

I'm busy sewing Suns, Moons, Stars, etc, onto a midnight black robe in preparation of becoming High Priest...

ixnay · June 25, 2002, 01:43

As science advisor I must oppose the push towards Fundamentalism. Should we take this transitional step, our civilization will be plunged into a new dark age, our scholars persecuted by the ruling elite. By remaining in communism, we will allow innovation to flourish and gain an even greater technological edge than our enemies.

CannonFodder · June 25, 2002, 02:12

Wow. Spies are veterans under communism I hope you know!!!

We should stick with it till our spies are done building, then switch to fundy.

shade · June 25, 2002, 03:40

Veteran spies....
(= communism)

Shade

Jadix · June 25, 2002, 04:53

vet spies

Zealot · June 25, 2002, 08:37

I see the military lobbies are here in strength...

Makes me wonder where is the majority that voted right at the beginning of the game taht we would be a peaceful civilization and would win the game by reaching AC!

Vlad Antlerkov · June 25, 2002, 10:00

*proudly displays his hammer and sickle*

Kropotkin · June 25, 2002, 10:41

Fundamentalism would be madness (well it usually is in itself). It would mean the end of our rapid development. As it is now we can work on fine and eliminate our enemies in a good pace. Why risk this for a short period of military advantage before our enemies get a technical edge?

mrboo123 · June 25, 2002, 11:44

I hate Fundamentalism and Communism. But I LOVE Democracy, but I all was go AC, but since where kicking the world's ass, let keep at Communism. (The only time I EVER I had Communism, was in civ1 because for some reason, the ctizens hated the Democracy)

Marquis de Sodaq · June 25, 2002, 13:13

Communism gives us veteran spies!

Fundamentalism makes the game too easy.

Commie until we are mopping up the last AI cities, then switch to democracy to make the masses happy

and boost our score!

-Jrabbit · June 25, 2002, 14:04

Just to be clear, we build the vet spy army Before The Switch. Rushbuild = yes.

Once we have a few dozen commie spies, then we switch to Fundy and build many cavalry.

Then we win big.

cavebear · June 25, 2002, 15:09

Hmmm, looks like the supporters of a Communist government (at least for now) have suddenly made their presence known.

JCP · June 25, 2002, 15:57

Cf "Adjust science rate?" link :
Demo ; quickly boring

Fundy ? Stop progress
Why not keeping Communism ?

Bear · June 26, 2002, 12:22

A vote for Democracy would be wasted, so I'm voting Communist to stop the Fundamentalists getting into power..

H Tower · June 26, 2002, 20:52

our goal is to conquer the world, with our current tech level and the opposing civs tech level, it should be easy, but only if we have plenty of units. fundy lets us to do that. communism makes it harder to support many units. however, under communism we could research techs that we don't need to conquer the world, so what's the point?

cavebear · June 26, 2002, 21:56

Quote:

Originally posted by H Tower
our goal is to conquer the world, with our current tech level and the opposing civs tech level, it should be easy, but only if we have plenty of units. fundy lets us to do that. communism makes it harder to support many units. however, under communism we could research techs that we don't need to conquer the world, so what's the point?

Because we aren't going to conquer the world in the next couple of turns? Because they will catch up in technology? Because the AI will adjust the rate of production and tech advance to reduce or eliminate our current advantage?

We have to run fast just to stay ahead. The AI is merciless at Deity level games, and settling comfortably into a role of fighting from here on out with our current units will be punished. The AI is not there to play fairly; the AI is there to assure, by hook or crook, that we have a fight on our hands.

Case in point: Babylon has 2 of the top 5 cities. They are in WLTxDay mode. There is no justification for them to be that way, but the AI needed that to strengthen the Bab situation. Yes, it's cheating and artificial, but that's what it does. It will give the enemy civs whatever techs it needs to give them the units it needs to make life harder for us. Babylon went from a size 8 city to a size 12 city in 2 turns. Think about that...

We are probably going to need artillery and tanks by the time this is over. Even with Spies and Cavalry, we ar not going to be able to conquer all the cities before they advance in defensive units, build walls, and maybe even get Spies of their own to thwart us.

We must both build units and advance in techs, or we won't win this game.

And I would be delighted to be wrong.

Hydey · June 26, 2002, 22:09

My 10 year old could win from this position.

cavebear · June 26, 2002, 22:49

We need a person who knows how to win the game easily from here. So, run for President! There is still time.

Hydey · June 26, 2002, 22:55

If we did not have such a competent nomminee for president such as MrWIA then I would consider it but I think he with a little help from his friends will get the job done.

cavebear · June 26, 2002, 22:58

Quote:

Originally posted by Hydey
If we did not have such a competent nomminee for president such as MrWIA then I would consider it but I think he with a little help from his friends will get the job done.