Why Go To War ?

SABRA · June 27, 2002, 18:25

why not focus on settlers

why not explore the land first
some say its an island others say its a peninsula

is it not possible that there is more good land like plains and grassland or hills

is it not possible to sent protected settlers out and go for that land

there shall be war but why not wait a bit first to grow

notyoueither · June 27, 2002, 18:31

We have no good space to grow in and on Emperor we have no time to waste.

Sheik · June 27, 2002, 18:37

notyoueither is right. We are closed in and must fight to expand.

Apocalypse · June 27, 2002, 18:39

Not to mention fighting is much more fun and interesting.

Kuciwalker · June 27, 2002, 18:42

War is necessary. We will LOSE without war.

Jon Shafer · June 27, 2002, 18:43

Check out my picture near the end of this thread if you think we can successfully expand peacefully anywhere near us.

OPD · June 27, 2002, 18:44

If you want peace, then be prepared for war.
To truly live, be ready to die.
An apple a day, keeps the doctor away.
The French are already rubbing their grubby little hands together thinking about our land.
History is littered with senseless wars, at least ours will have a purpose.
Kill or be killed, that the name of the game.

Andreiguy · June 27, 2002, 23:04

If we secure the continent/peninsuala for ourselves, we will be free to populate it with settlers without fear of the best sites getting taken by foreign powers.

-=MordeN=- · June 27, 2002, 23:16

bc long term jungles are useless and we need the mts from the french so we can get the iron which unluckily is the only resource useful on the whole game

(or most of it...)

WAR

Theseus · June 28, 2002, 01:48

There are certain games when a builder approach is very appropriate.

This is not one.

We are tremendously disadvantaged, in many respects.

The only way to survive, effectively, is through aggression. Sorry, but it's the truth.

For the non-war members: Bad news, this is not a one time event. We will NEED to commit surgical strikes, several times, to deal with the bad start. I refer to Aeson's iceberg as an example.

A non-aggressive, builder approach has NO chance of succeeding in this game.

Vlad Antlerkov · June 28, 2002, 07:41

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Originally posted by SABRA
why not focus on settlers

Not much in the way of expansion room.

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why not explore the land first
some say its an island others say its a peninsula

We are. I think the agreement is that it's now a peninsula (as it's pretty bloody unlikely that we'd have four civs on one island).

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is it not possible that there is more good land like plains and grassland or hills

Yes, but most of it is under the control of our enemies.

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is it not possible to sent protected settlers out and go for that land

Others would have reached it first. In that case, the only alternative is to take them by force.

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there shall be war but why not wait a bit first to grow

Grow where?

civman2000 · June 28, 2002, 07:47

Even the builder party, the DIA, has admitted the need for these wars. It was discussed much and almost everyone agrees now.

iain · June 28, 2002, 12:04

if we don`t fight now we`ll be in no position to fight later, if indeed there is a later

jdjdjd · June 28, 2002, 13:57

SABRA,

The die is cast, and most have decided for it, including all the ministers and the two major parties. I attempted to elicit alternatives for our situation, and submitted a possible proposal. My proposal was rebutted quickly and thoroughly by those who support the war. No other counter proposals were presented. I am not the best of Civ'ers, so I need someone with more experience and game knowledge to come up with something. Can you come up with a counter proposal?

Otherwise, we will have to fight for a less militaristic Apolytonia after this war is over. Also, if you have already not voted Yes for a code of ethics do so as soon as possible, that is our first best hope in the quest for a peaceful society.

God save the people of Apolytonia!

I remain,

jdjdjd

Robber Baron · June 28, 2002, 15:17

Meanwhile, Jungle warriors, start sharpening your spear- and arrowheads.
(And cast your votes accordingly. That ethics poll IS important. IF you want to play with your sharp toys, you'd better make sure a constitutional amendment won't stop you.)

Kuciwalker · June 28, 2002, 15:56

Our counter-proposal is this: Décès á la France!

Vlad Antlerkov · June 28, 2002, 20:21

Or, alternatively:

Gallia erit divisa in una parte-- nostra parte!

In this position, there is no choice but to go to war. If we started off in a better situation, you'd see me against war.

HazieDaVampire · June 29, 2002, 07:32

good old ethnic clensing! Come on! Lets secure our island land penisula and start building!

reefer addict · June 29, 2002, 11:55

im usually more of a builder than war-monger , but in this case war is nessesary. on emperor your gonna have ai cities popping up much faster than we can produce settlers, so if you take a builder attitude than sure death will be close at hand. this war will be costly as the ai gets everything cheap so better stock up on defensive units as well as an offensive force.

Panag · June 29, 2002, 13:01

hi ,

maybe its to early to go to war , we shall have war , that is sure , but first we need a strong army , ...

have a nice day

Spiffor · June 29, 2002, 13:04

Panag :
This is precisely the point of "Case : Pink" project. We prepare war (whether it's the French or the Americans is not yet settled, as we don't know who has the best land). in order to storm the enemies as soon as possible, when they aren't ready but we are.

SABRA · June 29, 2002, 13:42

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Originally posted by SABRA
why not focus on settlers

why not explore the land first
some say its an island others say its a peninsula

is it not possible that there is more good land like plains and grassland or hills

is it not possible to sent protected settlers out and go for that land

there shall be war but why not wait a bit first to grow

the main idea for the moment should be to stay out of war for now
so that there is time and room for a veteran army to be build and to put some money in the bank so that when war breaks out and people start to be unhappy the luxury level can be put higher
and before there is a war there should be many more options covered
it would be intresting to have someone think and put here some of the options that could happen and also some more tables as to what and how so that more people can get a short oversight

Kuciwalker · June 29, 2002, 15:40

Of course we're not declaring war now.

Panag · June 29, 2002, 15:49

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Originally posted by skywalker
Of course we're not declaring war now.

hi ,

, you never know with some people in the government , ...........

have a nice day

EmperorMagnus · June 29, 2002, 15:50

(Monty Python and the Holy Grail) We live in a bloody swamp, [swamp/jungle same deal] we need all the land we can get!

War! War! War!

Inverse Icarus · June 29, 2002, 15:52

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Originally posted by panag

hi ,

, you never know with some people in the government , ...........

have a nice day

whoever could you be talking about panag?

spy14 · June 29, 2002, 16:06

War is required. Nuff said

Panag · June 29, 2002, 16:11

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Originally posted by UberKruX

whoever could you be talking about panag?

hi ,

some people who like to go to war without giving our good warriors some training in barracks , .....

and other subversive elements , .....

no , not you , ...... what made you thing so , ....

have a nice day

Franses · June 30, 2002, 03:33

I never go to an early war on Emperor level and tried to stop our government from doing so this time but I am afraid it is to late now to alter the strategy. Not going to war requires a rather different approach in the early turns.

We are completely in the hands of the warmongers. Let us see where this leads us. If they succeed we will build statues for them in all of our cities. If not............

Kuciwalker · June 30, 2002, 07:11

Even then we could not succeed without war. If we had started devoting our resources then to clearing the jungle then, we would have fallen even further behind the AI and our damnation would be that much more certain.