trading maps

alva · July 2, 2002, 14:03

ok, we can sell our maps to other civs, or we can buy/trade them. Good, i like this feature

As it stands we have two options:

* territory map
* world map

How about a third option :
* world map minus your territory !

I think this can be quite usefull in MP games, where you want to do some trading without giving away too much about yourself.
Keeping the location of your resources secret can be quite a bonus when you are fighting a defensive war for example.

So what do you think about it.

FrustratedPoet · July 2, 2002, 14:15

Excellent idea!

This is something that would be very useful in an MP environment I think.

It would show all your borders, of course, since the your territory would hsow up as an obvious-looking black space.
By far the most important thing though is the placement of resources.
If trading maps will tell my human opponent where my only source of iron is then I will never trade them my map ... no will anybody else for that matter.

Panag · July 2, 2002, 15:26

hi ,

great idea , ...

put it on the wish list also !

have a nice day

kring · July 2, 2002, 20:58

The problem is that other people will sell their world map. If they have ventured on land owned by you, either before or after it was owned by you, then that will show up, as will any fringe from the scouting parties.

As it now, I don't sell the AI either of my maps until the world is mostly settled and explored. I will buy theirs, though.

I do like the concept. Another good concept would be the ability to decide how much of either map you wanted to sell. If you only wanted to sell the NE corner of the map, then you could. With the advent of screenshots, such is possible through email or websites.

alva · July 2, 2002, 22:45

not allways, allthough you might have wandered through my territory at the start of the game, you probably don't know where my rubber( no pun intended

) is located a 1000 years later.

So you might more or less know the outlook of my empire, you know nothing ( much ) of value.
I.E. : new founded city's
new resources
resources that 'moved'

Panag · July 3, 2002, 13:57

Quote:

Originally posted by kring
The problem is that other people will sell their world map. If they have ventured on land owned by you, either before or after it was owned by you, then that will show up, as will any fringe from the scouting parties.

As it now, I don't sell the AI either of my maps until the world is mostly settled and explored. I will buy theirs, though.

I do like the concept. Another good concept would be the ability to decide how much of either map you wanted to sell. If you only wanted to sell the NE corner of the map, then you could. With the advent of screenshots, such is possible through email or websites.

hi ,

buy theirs , dont sell yours !

have a nice day

Panag · July 3, 2002, 13:59

Quote:

Originally posted by alva848
not allways, allthough you might have wandered through my territory at the start of the game, you probably don't know where my rubber( no pun intended

) is located a 1000 years later.

So you might more or less know the outlook of my empire, you know nothing ( much ) of value.
I.E. : new founded city's
new resources
resources that 'moved'

hi ,

the AI seems to know where the resources are , ....if you give a map , the dont have lets say fission , but one civ of the AI does , its like the AI says to all other civs , build there , there is uranium , so you have that rescourse when you have the tech , ...

have a nice day

alva · July 3, 2002, 15:18

I did say it would be more usefull for MP then for SP diddn't i

dunk · July 3, 2002, 16:37

Quote:

Originally posted by alva848
not allways, allthough you might have wandered through my territory at the start of the game, you probably don't know where my rubber( no pun intended

) is located a 1000 years later.

So you might more or less know the outlook of my empire, you know nothing ( much ) of value.
I.E. : new founded city's
new resources
resources that 'moved'

Once a tile is on your map, you will see the resources appear whenever the tech is reached. Regardless of when you explored that tile.

dunk · July 3, 2002, 16:37

This is an interesting idea though.

I like it.

HazieDaVampire · July 3, 2002, 17:13

how bout it tells you how much more the AI knows than you! So you can trade without learning nothing and the AI learning everything!

alva · July 3, 2002, 17:28

Quote:

Originally posted by dunk999

Once a tile is on your map, you will see the resources appear whenever the tech is reached. Regardless of when you explored that tile.

true, i forgot about that

Then change that too

alva · July 3, 2002, 17:30

Quote:

Originally posted by HazieDaVampire
how bout it tells you how much more the AI knows than you! So you can trade without learning nothing and the AI learning everything!

Again: as stated before, it will have more use in MP then SP IMO.

HazieDaVampire · July 4, 2002, 11:36

its annoying when you trade your map and their map, and find out they know nothing and you know everything, and they end up using it to take over your far flung island thats still to be colonised by your settlers who are on the way!

Panag · July 6, 2002, 10:04

Quote:

Originally posted by HazieDaVampire
its annoying when you trade your map and their map, and find out they know nothing and you know everything, and they end up using it to take over your far flung island thats still to be colonised by your settlers who are on the way!

hi ,

never give yours , always buy or trade for theirs , ....

sometimes it seems there is nothing on their map , but behold , if you can buy a map for lets say 20 gold , well this is because their is a road , maybe soma forest is cut down , etc , ....

have a nice day

realpolitic · July 24, 2002, 20:33

Great Idea! I´d love to tell the other Civs where our mutual foes are