Promotion levels of armies

RedBird · July 3, 2002, 01:45

What is the meaning of the promotion level of an army? In other words what does it mean if the army itself (as opposed to the units in the army) is regular, or veteran, or elite?

How and when does the army itself get promoted?

Also, does anyone know for sure if elite units in an army can generate GL's?

Thanks.

alva · July 3, 2002, 02:59

I think when all units are elite, it then gets called 'elite army'. Have to check it out though

Papa Chubby · July 3, 2002, 07:04

I´m pretty sure that the Army itself does not get any bonuses. That it is merely the units that make up the army that continue to grow and improve, at least until the Elite level has been reached. This of course is done in the same manner as improving units, through battle, or surviving it to be more precise.

Nym · July 3, 2002, 07:28

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Originally posted by Papa Chubby
I´m pretty sure that the Army itself does not get any bonuses. That it is merely the units that make up the army that continue to grow and improve, at least until the Elite level has been reached. This of course is done in the same manner as improving units, through battle, or surviving it to be more precise.

I think so. I had a regular army of three regular cavalries. One got promoted to veteran; the army was still of regular type. In the same way I created a veteran army of 4 veteran tank.

zulu9812 · July 3, 2002, 07:47

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Originally posted by Nym
I think so. I had a regular army of three regular cavalries. One got promoted to veteran; the army was still of regular type. In the same way I created a veteran army of 4 veteran tank.

Although presumably, that army now had 10 HPs and not 9

Arrian · July 3, 2002, 09:26

I don't think the Army itself (as in the container unit) matters at all. It's all about the units you put in. But I've never really paid attention to whether my army is listed as "regular" or "veteran." I'd imagine,however, that an army created by a Great Leader is regular, but one built via the Military Academy is veteran. No effects, though. The HPs of an army is determined by the combined number of HPs of the units you load into it.

Thus, if you put in 1 elite, 1 vet, and 1 regular, you will have 5+4+3 = 12 hp.

-Arrian

Nym · July 3, 2002, 11:40

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Originally posted by Arrian
I don't think the Army itself (as in the container unit) matters at all. It's all about the units you put in. But I've never really paid attention to whether my army is listed as "regular" or "veteran." I'd imagine,however, that an army created by a Great Leader is regular, but one built via the Military Academy is veteran. No effects, though. The HPs of an army is determined by the combined number of HPs of the units you load into it.

Thus, if you put in 1 elite, 1 vet, and 1 regular, you will have 5+4+3 = 12 hp.

-Arrian

Maybe you are right... It's probably related to the Military Academy. My cavalries' army was build with a GL, the other by the MA. Should verify it next time.

RedBird · July 3, 2002, 13:42

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Originally posted by Arrian
I don't think the Army itself (as in the container unit) matters at all. It's all about the units you put in. But I've never really paid attention to whether my army is listed as "regular" or "veteran." I'd imagine,however, that an army created by a Great Leader is regular, but one built via the Military Academy is veteran.

Interesting. I was sure that an army (regardless of its origin (GL or MA)) which was loaded in a city with a barracks would be a veteran, but I just tested it, and that's not the case. I just built an army four times with a GL. In all cases the army was created in a city with barracks (incidentally when the army is just created, before units are loaded, it simply says "Active Army" with no promotion level - it gets the promotion level when the first unit is loaded into it). In two cases I loaded a veteran unit into the army, once in the city, and once outside of a city, and in the other two cases I loaded a regular unit, again, once inside the city and once outside.

In all four cases the army was regular. I haven't built the MA yet so I'll need to test that in a while (all my old games are burried somewhere).

Also regarding this:

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Originally posted by alva848
I think when all units are elite, it then gets called 'elite army'.

I was thinking this was the case too, but I just had a regular army which had its last un-elite unit go elite, and the army is still a regular army.

It's looking like Arrian's theory is correct, though I still have to test the MA part of it.

Thanks all, for all the suggestions.

Catt · July 3, 2002, 14:12

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Originally posted by RedBird
Also, does anyone know for sure if elite units in an army can generate GL's?

One of the Firaxians (Mike B., Speed Bump, Soren J., Dan M. or Jeff M. - can't remember which) stated in a thread on another forum that a unit in an army will never generate a great leader.

Catt

Arrian · July 3, 2002, 14:17

What Catt said.

Speaking on the experience level of armies, who remembers the original (screwed up) 1.17 patch that allowed armies from goody huts? Those were "conscript armies."

-Arrian

alva · July 3, 2002, 15:00

It might have something to do with the pentagon.
When you can add a 4 unit to your army, it becomes veteran?? anyone

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One of the Firaxians (Mike B., Speed Bump, Soren J., Dan M. or Jeff M. - can't remember which) stated in a thread on another forum that a unit in an army will never generate a great leader.

I was quite sure I saw it happen once though.

but my mistake as they say.