Moral values of Apolyton - Page 2

notyoueither · July 10, 2002, 06:31

No. He's PC.

Winston · July 10, 2002, 06:34

PC and misguided - about this poll and life in general.

Bereta_Eder · July 10, 2002, 06:38

smoking one joint will damage your organism like you have smoken 10 cigarettes together.

and girls dont like cool guys if they're vegetables

*runs*

aaglo · July 10, 2002, 07:14

damages my organism? heeeh

Bereta_Eder · July 10, 2002, 07:17

you lungs to be precise.

it can give you a wicked caugh and a brochitis.
of course you are absolutely free to do what you want

Winston · July 10, 2002, 21:23

Come on, take the survey.

Boris Godunov · July 10, 2002, 21:30

I find it really hard to believe fewer people think it's okay to have same-sex relations than an abortion.

Who went "Sure, the mom can abort her baby--but she better not touch another chick, ever! That'd be going too far!"

Imran Siddiqui · July 10, 2002, 21:30

Drive under the influence, and cheat on spouse are the least votes... at least that is good, because I found both to be the most reprehensible

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Boris Godunov · July 10, 2002, 21:32

To those who voted yes on drunk driving: You're repugnant morons. Really.

Jon Miller · July 10, 2002, 21:35

I know people who would say yes to it (who are reasonable in pretty much every other way)

Jon Miller

Boris Godunov · July 10, 2002, 21:37

Not that I'm judgmental.

Seneca · July 10, 2002, 21:37

Oh dear, my morals are so... unoriginal.

Must get some different ones...

Jon Miller · July 10, 2002, 21:38

BTW

I at least, consider a soldier killing an enemy soldier to be killing in self defense

Jon Miller

Boris Godunov · July 10, 2002, 21:46

Lessee here:

Curse and swear: Yes
Tell a lie to family and friends: Yes, but not often and only when necessary
Call in sick eventhough I'm/they're not: Duh, yes.
Drink alcohol: NOOO, never. Bahaha. YES.
Smoke tobacco: I don't, but it's a personal choice - SO LONG AS YOU DON'T DROP YOUR LITTER ON THE GROUND OR BLOW SMOKE IN MY FACE WHILST WALKING DOWN THE STREET thanks.
Smoke marihuana: If you want, but count me out
Take drugs, i.e. speed, cocaine, heroin etc.: See above.
Drive while under the influence of alcohol, marihuana or drugs: NO, NO and NO AGAIN. If you said yes, we'll just wait until you kill someone or yourself.
Run a red light: No. They are red for a reason, dumbass!
Watch/read pornography: Hehehe, check my hard drive
Have same sex relations:

Uh...no comment!

Go through a divorce: Sometimes diamonds aren't forever.
Cheat on my/their spouse or significant other: No. If you're not happy, leave first, then hook up with someone else. Don't be a *****.
Borrow money, knowing I/they can't repay the lender on time: No, as a contract is a contract.
Cheat on my/their tax return: No, as we honest folk get stuck with footing the bill, ultimately.
Cheat on welfare/social benefits: No, same as above
Steal items at the supermarket: No!
Have an abortion: So long as it's not done late in the game as birth control, yes.
Have artificial fertilization performed: Sure, why not?
Have an organ transplant performed: Yes
Physically correct or punish my/their kids: Swat on the behind for immediate correction, maybe. Anything above that, no.
Not inform authorities of child abuse/neglect or spousal abuse: No.
Kill another person in self defense: Yes, and anyone who says they wouldn't is a LIIIIIIIIAR! I put soldiers in this category.
Kill another person, not in self defense: Yes, but only if defending the life of another.

Shadowstrike · July 10, 2002, 22:04

Curse and/or Swear - I try not to
Tell a Lie - I try not to

And No for all the rest, except the organ transplant one, but only if my life depended on it, and I didn't kill anyone to get the organ.

Imran Siddiqui · July 10, 2002, 22:07

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Kill another person, not in self defense: Yes, but only if defending the life of another.

GOOD POINT! A police officer that kills someone that is about to kill someone else isn't doing that act in self-defense!

Boris Godunov · July 10, 2002, 22:10

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Originally posted by Shadowstrike
Curse and/or Swear - I try not to
Tell a Lie - I try not to

And No for all the rest, except the organ transplant one, but only if my life depended on it, and I didn't kill anyone to get the organ.

Um...you don't think it's ok to kill someone in self defense or the defense of another?

And what's wrong with other's having same sex relations, as long as you're not involved?

Six Thousand Year Old Man · July 10, 2002, 22:12

Who are the 4 freaks (out of 45) who don't think reading / watching pornography is ok?

STYOM

Boris Godunov · July 10, 2002, 22:12

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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

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Kill another person, not in self defense: Yes, but only if defending the life of another.

GOOD POINT! A police officer that kills someone that is about to kill someone else isn't doing that act in self-defense!

Not just police...anyone, of course. If someone is trying to kill someone else in front of me, I will use lethal force if I have to in order to stop them. I'd rather aim for the kneecaps, but I have shitty aim, so I'd probably just go for the torso...

Winston · July 10, 2002, 22:13

Boris,

Personal ethics and moral standpoints are really hard to argue about - and for the purpose of this survey, no one is required to justify why they feel as they do.

Just thought I'd inform of that.

Boris Godunov · July 10, 2002, 22:14

I'm still amazed over 15% think drunk driving...is PERFECTLY OK!

Boris Godunov · July 10, 2002, 22:18

Winston:

I'm not requiring anyone to justify anything, I'm just voicing my own opinions. Since it's anonymous, people can vote however they want and not feel obligated to defend anything.

But you can't expect people not to discuss this on the board. It IS a message board, after all, and the very nature of the poll is going to draw such an exchange. No one is gonna be forced to argue anything, but we shouldn't be prevented from it, either.

Winston · July 10, 2002, 22:21

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Winston:

I'm not requiring anyone to justify anything, I'm just voicing my own opinions. Since it's anonymous, people can vote however they want and not feel obligated to defend anything.

But you can't expect people not to discuss this on the board. It IS a message board, after all, and the very nature of the poll is going to draw such an exchange. No one is gonna be forced to argue anything, but we shouldn't be prevented from it, either.

I disagree. Please refrain from inquiring into the reasons for people's answers to the survey.

You can discuss why people hold certain ethics or morals in a separate thread, clearly disassociated from this poll, if you want.

Boris Godunov · July 10, 2002, 22:28

Fine, but watch the thread siiiiiiiiiiiink since no one can talk about it.

Shadowstrike · July 10, 2002, 22:31

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov

Um...you don't think it's ok to kill someone in self defense or the defense of another?

And what's wrong with other's having same sex relations, as long as you're not involved?

No, I don't think its right ot kill another living human being, even if said human being is trying to kill you or another person. Mere incapacitation will do. Why shoot them in the head or heart when you could shoot them in the legs and incapacitate them instead?

As for the second one, its on general grounds. Partly its because that such activities have no tangible result, and are a good method of STD proliferation.

Christian morals probably ties into both points too. I don't believe that any human being is impossible to turn into an upright citizen, and that just killing, even in self defense, makes you in the wrong like the person who attacked you.

Flame away.

Winston · July 10, 2002, 22:32

No Boris Godunov, you can talk about it all right, just don't investigate - directly or indirectly - into reasons for the personal ethics of specific posters.

Boris Godunov · July 10, 2002, 22:35

Shhh, Shadowstrike, we're not allowed to discuss it.

(And sometimes, you will just have to be lethal in order to stop someone. And heterosexual couplings have just as much STD risk, and usually result in a more negative thing such as unwanted babies and abortions. And there is certainly a great intangible result to same-sex relationships, as either partner will tell you. It's called love...)

Six Thousand Year Old Man · July 10, 2002, 22:42

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Originally posted by Shadowstrike

No, I don't think its right ot kill another living human being, even if said human being is trying to kill you or another person. Mere incapacitation will do. Why shoot them in the head or heart when you could shoot them in the legs and incapacitate them instead?

If you're shooting at all, you shoot to kill. There's no half measures, there. You'll see if you try it someday.

Shadowstrike · July 10, 2002, 22:44

I highly doubt that ther is a scenario where one must be lethal to stop another person, even ifo the other person is on a rampage. Just that its simpler to do so, because it requires less effort and risk.

The difference is that same-sex relationships produce offspring, which is the point of reproduction. I hold that people should try to raise the child, put it up for adoption, or don't have it in the first place. While this may be idealism, our society should try to eliminate the 'need' for abortions with more active programs that encourage kids towards academics, sports or even hobbies, and away from drugs and sex.

Six Thousand Year Old Man · July 10, 2002, 22:59

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Originally posted by Shadowstrike
I highly doubt that ther is a scenario where one must be lethal to stop another person, even ifo the other person is on a rampage. Just that its simpler to do so, because it requires less effort and risk.

The risk is that if you aim for a leg, you're quite likely to miss (torso is bigger) and then the other party will have a chance to kill you, possibly with your own gun. Anyone who would risk letting someone on a 'rampage' take a gun from them has no business drawing the gun in the first place.