Who Would You Join? - Page 2

Method · July 14, 2002, 12:56

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Originally posted by Iskandar Reza
they prolly drink beer

Prolly? one of their bases is even called Drunktown!

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Originally posted by Iskandar Reza
you definitely control the sea.

unfortunately with the AI there's not much to control

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Originally posted by Iskandar Reza
And the amount of energy you get (minus the fact that solar collecter farms and borehole plantations produce more) is absolutely astounding

a tidal harness is 3 energy, 4 with thermocline, 5 with +2 econ in SE. 5 energy for ~3 turns worth of 'forming is pretty good! plus a mining platform is 4 w/ trunkline and Adv ecological enineerging (assuming you're the pirates)

waab · July 15, 2002, 10:12

Back to the computers...

-1 GROWTH: {Humans 'possessed by an algorithm' find reproduction awkward}

Sure it would help against overpopulation, but no thanks

Andemagne · July 15, 2002, 16:42

Spartans.
and alliance with University.

who/what dictates what is unethical and what not?
(it CAN'T be United States, nor United Nations, nor majority of populance.)

Iskandar Reza · July 16, 2002, 04:44

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Originally posted by Andemagne
Spartans.
and alliance with University.

who/what dictates what is unethical and what not?
(it CAN'T be United States, nor United Nations, nor majority of populance.)

God

Jethro83 · July 16, 2002, 05:47

Only Lal can say whether something is ethical/unethical or not, his society being the last remnant of the UN.

But that hardly stands for anything since he gets wiped out quickly most of the time, and as such the position of Planetary Governor is anybody's who can hoard up a huge population, The Empath Guild, or support from other factions.

A trick I use to get full support for Planetary governor is to probe all other factions and frame them enough times so that everyone hates everyone else except me. I enjoy the chaos I caused and humbly step up to chair Planetary council. That's the kind of thing I do as the Believers, as I prefer to cash in on their probe rating instead of their zealotry attack bonus. And in the case that I do get caught, I can use my zealotry attack bonus to discourage them from continuing with their vendetta.

Nubclear · July 16, 2002, 06:42

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Originally posted by LordAzreal
Only Lal can say whether something is ethical/unethical or not, his society being the last remnant of the UN.

But that hardly stands for anything since he gets wiped out quickly most of the time, and as such the position of Planetary Governor is anybody's who can hoard up a huge population, The Empath Guild, or support from other factions.

A trick I use to get full support for Planetary governor is to probe all other factions and frame them enough times so that everyone hates everyone else except me. I enjoy the chaos I caused and humbly step up to chair Planetary council. That's the kind of thing I do as the Believers, as I prefer to cash in on their probe rating instead of their zealotry attack bonus. And in the case that I do get caught, I can use my zealotry attack bonus to discourage them from continuing with their vendetta.

I've never played the Believers very well. The no research for ten turns sucks, and then the slow research sucks even more. Every time I probe, everyone declares war on me and I'm crushed

However, UoP or Conciousness....I play with them very well

Iskandar Reza · July 16, 2002, 09:30

You just like UoP because the Provost is Russian, and so are most base names....

Jac de Molay · July 16, 2002, 09:35

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I've never played the Believers very well.

Come to think of it, I've never played them at all

I've always thought that their main purpose was to give the AI some competitive bite, and that's about it.

Dave

Pandemoniak · July 17, 2002, 07:16

Believers are not that weak... If you can find a good ally at the beginning so not to be crushed as a bug before AD2200, their efficiency in combat is just great. And about their science research, just do as usual : why build laboratories in everybase (which cost lots of minerals, lots of maintenance, lots of time)when u can have all of them in only one whos and bring energy from cities and nearby boreholes with supply crawler ?

Believe me the Supply Crawler method is a great one !

Nubclear · July 17, 2002, 07:23

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You just like UoP because the Provost is Russian, and so are most base names....

Oh well now that I think of it, it is kinda russian isn't it?

I also like him because I can usually get up to 2 techs per term with only five bases

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Believers are not that weak... If you can find a good ally at the beginning so not to be crushed as a bug before AD2200, their efficiency in combat is just great. And about their science research, just do as usual : why build laboratories in everybase (which cost lots of minerals, lots of maintenance, lots of time)when u can have all of them in only one whos and bring energy from cities and nearby boreholes with supply crawler ?

Believe me the Supply Crawler method is a great one !

Eh? Tried that, but I wasn't going fast enough (compared to Zakharovs 4 techs per turn) and so I tried probing him, but then other factions got quite angry and....Then the game ended. Even factions that were Magnanimous with me...

I'll just let you be a religious fanatic, you let me be an unethical russian researcher.

Jethro83 · July 17, 2002, 08:41

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Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Eh? Tried that, but I wasn't going fast enough (compared to Zakharovs 4 techs per turn) and so I tried probing him, but then other factions got quite angry and....Then the game ended. Even factions that were Magnanimous with me...

That's why you run Fundamentalist and frame someone else. I've found that my probes are more successful than not at stealing research data and energy credits to frame another whenever I run the Fundamentalist SE model as the Believers (totalling to +3 Probe rating). My last game using probes exclusively, I had everyone at each other's throats very quickly after gaining Planetary Networks. I only had two or three incidents where I got caught, but with superior military numbers, I was able to persuade them to turn their greedy eyes away from my bases. In fact in some cases, I didn't even fight the enemy before they sued for peace (peace I didn't even have to pay for).

Most facilities the Believers don't even need that much at all. I've found that anything increasing psych, or labs is pretty much useless. Instead of building such facilities, build up strong numbers of troops. Since the Believers have +2 Support innately, they can easily afford it, and being technologically backward early on, can't afford not to. When I build my base facilities, I find that I only need ones that boost economy, production and Morale, as well as ecological ones. And by production I include the Genejack factory. Since you don't need to do the research yourself, the -50% tech penalty of Punishment spheres means nothing at all, leaving no compunctions against using Genejacks. Since there'll be no drones when the spheres are in place, Free Market can be run with near impunity (still the -3 Planet issue, but when you've cleared away the fungus, and have Centauri Preserves around, it isn't that much of a problem. Especially with the Manifold Nexus in your territory).

And if you get the UN Charter repealed, you could use nerve gas to make your units even tougher than they already are on the attack. By the time you have Plasma Shard weaponry, add nerve gas pods to that, with the Morale bonuses of Fundamentalist and Power, as well as the 25% attack bonus, and you'll still be combat effective for the rest of the game.

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I'll just let you be a religious fanatic, you let me be an unethical russian researcher.

I'm on the same bandwidth as the Spartans or the Gaians, and if I had SMAX, I'd probably be on the same bandwidth as the Drones, or the Data Angels.

However, I still find the need for a challenge, so I try using factions of whom I am not even on the same bandwidth. And since I hate religious fanaticism with a passion, the Believers satisfy this need. Using factions I relate with 75-100% (UoP included) is far too easy.

- Groucho - · July 17, 2002, 14:19

Peacekeepers, of course. Everyone else is a splinter group.

Iskandar Reza · July 17, 2002, 20:04

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Originally posted by Echinda
Peacekeepers, of course. Everyone else is a splinter group.

I suspect Echinda supports the New World Order. I also suspect him to be a member of the Illuminati.

Pandemoniak · July 21, 2002, 08:30

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Eh? Tried that, but I wasn't going fast enough (compared to Zakharovs 4 techs per turn) and so I tried probing him, but then other factions got quite angry and....Then the game ended. Even factions that were Magnanimous with me...
I'll just let you be a religious fanatic, you let me be an unethical russian researcher.

Of course you wont go as fast as Zakharov, but you'd go faster than much other factions. If you definetely cant go that way since you're too used to get many techs a turn, select the option that gives you a tech when you take a base, when you play Miriam.

I actually prefer Free Drones, as you could have guess

spartak · July 21, 2002, 10:14

UoP all the way - I normally play them so....

Sikander · July 22, 2002, 20:23

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Originally posted by Andemagne
Spartans.
and alliance with University.

who/what dictates what is unethical and what not?
(it CAN'T be United States, nor United Nations, nor majority of populance.)

Very much like I think. Freedom and leadership by example rather than coercion.

Andemagne · July 23, 2002, 11:46

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Originally posted by LordAzreal
Only Lal can say whether something is ethical/unethical or not, his society being the last remnant of the UN.

you must be joking! are you seriously saying that United Nations decide what is unethical and what's not?
if you are, YOU'RE WRONG!

waab · July 23, 2002, 16:09

Actuly I think LordAzreal has a point, we need rules, and rules that everybody creats together use to hold better then other.

The Bloody Baro · July 23, 2002, 19:02

Spartans all the way!!!! Good old military a$$ kickin' fun!

The Bloody Baro · July 23, 2002, 19:06

plus to all of you who want AI running everything read this

Those peolple who live on a planet ruled by AI have found out that logic doesn't care.

So since I have a history of not caring for others Cyborgs in a close second followed by Free Drones. I'm a socialist in SMAC. However in real life I'm democratically independant republican.

MattyBoy · July 24, 2002, 00:34

UoP.
Learning is fun.

Mr. President · July 24, 2002, 00:43

Morganites. I like money.

Pandemoniak · July 24, 2002, 07:14

I couldnt vote for the Free Drones, so I voted Peacekeeper.

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MattyBoy
UoP.
Learning is fun.

For all those who think they could join UoP, which unethical methods do u assume UoP would use to find the tech "Advanced Military Algorithms" ?

Nubclear · July 24, 2002, 16:47

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Originally posted by Pandemoniak
I couldnt vote for the Free Drones, so I voted Peacekeeper.

For all those who think they could join UoP, which unethical methods do u assume UoP would use to find the tech "Advanced Military Algorithms" ?

They would probably torture peacekeeping people. Or gaians. Or believers.

Clear Skies · July 24, 2002, 17:32

UoP really **** me off...they always seem to make it to Secrets of the Human Brain one turn before I do. Most irritational.
However, pure knowledge is a laudable goal. I just prefer the Consciousness myself :P Good to see the techies out in front, though, on a collective 12 votes. Also good to see no-one voted for the Proggies

Adalbertus · July 24, 2002, 17:49

[QUOTE]UoP really **** me off...they always seem to make it to Secrets of the Human Brain one turn before I do.[QUOTE]
Or Cybernetic Consciousness. But on contrary, playing UoP, it's always CC or Gaians who do so ...
And as a researcher in physics, I'd say that ethics comes after doing the research (in assessment of the results). It's different for biology/medicine.

Method · July 24, 2002, 20:34

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Originally posted by Clear Skies
Also good to see no-one voted for the Proggies

does anyone else see anything wrong with the fact that it's being considered an option to join the aliens?

what do you think they'd say if you walked up to Courage: to Question or Decision: Manifold and said: "hello, i'd like to join you"

"Request: ridiculous! You: die now!" perhaps?

MattyBoy · July 24, 2002, 23:08

Haven't you ever felt that you should join the aliens?
Maybe I'm just wierd, but I often feel like that.

Pandemoniak · July 25, 2002, 06:17

Of course. It would be normal for Cult of Planet or maybe even Gaia to join the Aliens

aaglo · July 25, 2002, 10:01

I would join Gaians. They have the only agenda that really makes sense.