July 14, 2002, 05:51
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What 8 civs will be added?
Does anyone knows?
If no, I'd suggest the following:
Khan Genghis and Mongols
Isabelle de Castille and Spain
Messiah Muhamet and Arabs
Kemal ata Turk and Ottoman Empire (Turks)
Erik the Red and Vikings
Duke Gediminas and Lithuanian Great Dutchment
King Solomon and Jews
Kim Il Sung and Koreans
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July 14, 2002, 06:47
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try reading the boards before you post something like that: it's alreay been discussed in countless threads. And yes; the Vikings, Spain and Mongols are in. Korea too, I think. But no Jews
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July 14, 2002, 14:09
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So, no one currently knows other four and it's just specualtion or is there somewhere full list?
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July 14, 2002, 19:32
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Originally posted by Sonic
So, no one currently knows other four and it's just specualtion or is there somewhere full list?
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no official list, although expect celts, turks, & possibly arabs, & koreans.
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July 14, 2002, 20:24
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If I were to venture a guess based on the various threads here, I'd say it is these:
Ottomans
Arabs
Koreans
Mongols
Spanish
Vikings
Celts
Carthaginians
The bigger questions are what are UUs and traits of these civs?
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July 15, 2002, 03:13
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Re: What 8 civs will be added?
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Originally posted by Sonic
Does anyone knows?
If no, I'd suggest the following:
Khan Genghis and Mongols
Isabelle de Castille and Spain
Messiah Muhamet and Arabs
Kemal ata Turk and Ottoman Empire (Turks)
Erik the Red and Vikings
Duke Gediminas and Lithuanian Great Dutchment
King Solomon and Jews
Kim Il Sung and Koreans
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July 15, 2002, 13:26
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sonic...
kim il sung?
NO.
there are far more worthy leaders than that stalinist:
yi sun shin (military, so prolly a unit leader)
tangun (traditional founder)
king sejong the great (one responsible for many reforms, and the current written language)
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don't just go by what is the most well known...
which is also why i don't like gandhi so much for india, i think some of the mughal leaders would be better.
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July 15, 2002, 16:36
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Don't hurt me Zulu.
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July 16, 2002, 18:24
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The Koreans? 
I just hate it when game developers try to be PC. What a joke. Almost as bad as putting Joan d'Arc as Queen of France.
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July 16, 2002, 18:43
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The Koreans are a perfectly good civ, there is nothing PC about it
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July 16, 2002, 19:14
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It's not PC, it's catering to a potential market. Nothing wrong with that in a capitalist society.
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July 17, 2002, 08:39
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Hey, if America gets in there with is two hundred year odd history where is AUSTRALIA? Bloody oath!
Our special unit could be a marine - the ANZACs from Gallipoli. They didn't take it but they gave 'em hell!
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July 17, 2002, 14:01
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korea's not a good potential market then, they're not interested in TBS games. kinda hard to create teams and run tournaments with hundreds of people that last only a weekend.
and it's not PC. if it is, please explain it.
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July 17, 2002, 20:54
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Originally posted by NeoStar
Hey, if America gets in there with is two hundred year odd history where is AUSTRALIA? Bloody oath!
Our special unit could be a marine - the ANZACs from Gallipoli. They didn't take it but they gave 'em hell!
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That's hilarious... wait a minute, you were being serious weren't you? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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July 17, 2002, 23:32
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That's hilarious... wait a minute, you were being serious weren't you? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Laugh it up Bhutan boy, hope you dont fall off your mountain top. 
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July 18, 2002, 00:45
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Originally posted by NeoStar
Laugh it up Bhutan boy, hope you dont fall off your mountain top.
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Bhutan's on a mountain?
I just chose it because of the crazy dragon on the flag, I mean, just look at him!
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July 18, 2002, 03:33
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the ANZACs are something to laugh at?
AUSSIE pride WORLDWIDE 
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July 18, 2002, 12:31
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Originally posted by NeoStar
the ANZACs are something to laugh at?
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Anzacs? Never heard of them... perhaps they're French...
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July 18, 2002, 18:01
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ANZAC -Australian and New Zealand Army Corps - probably our most famous war heros
Whoa! What a mad flag! I couldn't see the dragon on the mini version under your name 
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July 18, 2002, 18:10
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Oh yeah - I saw Bhutan on a travel show once, its surrounded by mountains. They dont embrace technology much either, so you couldn't be from there you obvoiusly have a computer 
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July 18, 2002, 20:26
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I love that the Mongols, Spanish, Turks ,& Celts are included but I'm at best luke warm on the rest. I'm down right against Korea. I'd much prefer to see Ethiopia or Inca then Korea as this would balance the culture groups better.
Still Korea is something like the fourth biggest software market in the world so I expect Firaxis to grovel for the cash. 
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July 18, 2002, 22:48
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I love that the Mongols, Spanish, Turks ,& Celts are included but I'm at best luke warm on the rest. I'm down right against Korea. I'd much prefer to see Ethiopia or Inca then Korea as this would balance the culture groups better.
Still Korea is something like the fourth biggest software market in the world so I expect Firaxis to grovel for the cash.
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What about the Vikings? Everybody 'loves' the Vikings!
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July 19, 2002, 03:35
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Originally posted by Oerdin
I'd much prefer to see Mongols, Spanish, Turks ,Celts ,Ethiopia...would balance the culture groups better
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You'd rather Ethiopia than ANY nation in the Pacific? 
Yeah that'd be right, you and the entire northern hemisphere. Oh well, I think Oceania's a culture group!
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July 19, 2002, 08:51
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Still Korea is something like the fourth biggest software market in the world so I expect Firaxis to grovel for the cash.
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except, see, TBS games don't exactly sell well in korea... so firaxis's desire for cash won't pay off, so to speak. they don't seem to have a yen for the asian market.
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July 19, 2002, 13:11
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Arf arf.
To backstep a little, it HAS to be Canute for the Vikings. We need an Islamic civ or two, Arabs/Turks do nicely, and frankly I'd like to see the Incas replace the Iroquois.
I agree with those as don't like Firaxis' choice of Joan of Arc / Gandhi. Either some mogul (esp considering India's UU) or Ashoka would have been preferable in India's case.
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July 19, 2002, 18:06
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I don't get it. I just looked at a list of potential Civ additions: Spanish, Mongols, Vikings, Celts/Gauls, Carthaginians, Ottomans, Arabs, and Koreans.
Why not the Mayan civilization? They have given birth to major civilization improvements, wonders, and have made great contributions to religion, etc. I could see them as a Religious/Scientific type of nation, like the Babs. Any comments on this? It seems everyone loves to choose the civilized barbarian nations (Mongols, Vikings), but no additions for the peace-minded.
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July 19, 2002, 19:56
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It seems everyone loves to choose the civilized barbarian nations (Mongols, Vikings), but no additions for the peace-minded.
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The Maya were hardly a peace-minded civilization, in fact, acordding to recent discoveries, they were just as bad as the Aztecs when it came to human sacrifices.
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July 19, 2002, 20:09
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I don't like the Mayans cuz they were basically the Aztecs. I mean, they weren't, but they were. They are so close to the Aztecs and they mysteriously disappeared (possibly to become the Aztecs). I do like the Incas though. As far as peace minded playing, what about the Koreans? They never conquered great amounts of land.
I don't like that they probably put in both the Arabs AND the Turks in the same expansion. Especially when they already have the Babylonians in Arabia.
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July 22, 2002, 06:38
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Because there's no Mayan market to buy PtW... There is a Korean market, however.
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July 22, 2002, 08:24
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so there is a korean market.
however, how many times must it be reiterated that this korean market that is, to some of you people, the only possible justification and the sole reason for the koreans' inclusion, is almost non-existent for the turn based strategy gaming market.
see, if you actually bothered to research these statements you're making, you'll find that the korean gaming market is dominated by two types of gaming:
1. massively multiplayer online role playing
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2. real-time/networked real time strategy.
last i checked, civ3 and ptw didn't fit into either category. my relatives and friends in korea aren't getting much ptw hype; nor are they particularly interested. so if there's this big korean market for ptw to crack, i'd like to see it.
you guys seem to be jumping to conclusions just because a few well-known titles (starcraft and diablo 2, for instance), sold spectacularly well in korea, and thus believe that only marketing considerations factor into its inclusion, while glibly ignoring all the evidence to the contrary and the non-market based merits of the civilization.
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