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Old July 15, 2002, 08:50   #1
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Argh!! You must be joking!
No iron anywhere on the map. Is this a bug?
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Old July 15, 2002, 08:55   #2
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Don't think so - this has been reported before.

Imagine having no OIL. I have had that.
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Old July 15, 2002, 09:16   #3
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Very unlikely, have you explored the whole map? It has happened before but the possibility exist that you can find it on the tiniest island in the most remote corner.
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I've seen people here have it happen to them before.
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Old July 15, 2002, 09:26   #5
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Or maybe it could be under an enemy city. But with Iron I guess that's less likely.
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Old July 15, 2002, 09:40   #6
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It's already the Renaissance. I have the map of the entire planet. I've scanned the map thoroughly. There just isn't any iron. No railroads.... arghhhh.... nooooooo.....
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It must of all been depleted. I always fought that when a resource is depleted, another is discovered elsewhere. I must of thought wrong.
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Old July 15, 2002, 09:57   #8
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No, that is true- new ones are always discovered.

There must not have been any to begin with.

Are ye on a mod?
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Old July 15, 2002, 10:00   #9
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I don't think it was around at first to begin with. No traces of a swordsman or a knight anywhere. And no, I'm playing the original, unmodified version with the latest patch on.
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ive had games with no coal and games with no oil. it ruins the game if you cant build anything at the end but infantry( i guess i should be glad i had rubber )
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I guess I'll just start a new game....
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I had a game with no Aluminiun anywere on the map
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It's already the Renaissance. I have the map of the entire planet. I've scanned the map thoroughly. There just isn't any iron. No railroads.... arghhhh.... nooooooo.....
Consider it a blessing that you cannot build railroads - the military aspect of the game will now force you to think about how to conduct a war, and troop deployment becomes critical.

Railroads dumb down that aspect of the game immensely...
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Perhaps you are playing the scenario Age of Bronze, i do believe that they removed all Iron on purpose.
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Having absolutely no examples of a resource any where on the map is just plain silly. Firaxis, how about patching this?
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Railroads dumb down that aspect of the game immensely...
You are right about that one. I am for limiting the movement on rails.
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I think the problem is that there is no available terrain that can have the resources, this can happen when there are no hills/montans or they all have forest/jungle on them, this a result of the choices you make when seting up a map or picking random map.
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You are right about that one. I am for limiting the movement on rails.
I want to see trains, so you can try and ambush them or bomb them and kill the units inside!
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i'd like to download and play out your game please. a game without rails would be VERY interesting for the modern age... smaller cities, slower movement, interesting.
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You are quite likely to get low or no oil if you choose a warm, wet world. There is often no desert and very little tundra.
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I suggest just you EDIT UP the ridiculously low resource appearance rates Firaxis gave us.
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could yopu please provide the SAV? i could use one more game before friday
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The true fix for the 'no iron' is found by decoupling basic units from resources.

Make a Tank, no resources.

Make an Improved tank, requires iron and oil.

The Improved variant may be slightly cheaper and have slightly better stats.

This not only allows the game to still progress through the ages, it allows countries screwed out of a resource to still maintain a competitve front with just a little intrepidity. As it stands, a country without oil or iron is screwed, and all too often it's the human player...

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The true fix for the 'no iron' is found by decoupling basic units from resources.

Make a Tank, no resources.

Make an Improved tank, requires iron and oil.

The Improved variant may be slightly cheaper and have slightly better stats.

This not only allows the game to still progress through the ages, it allows countries screwed out of a resource to still maintain a competitve front with just a little intrepidity. As it stands, a country without oil or iron is screwed, and all too often it's the human player...

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Not only would it fix that, but then Firaxis could lower the randomness of battles, and then there would be hardly a chance of a spearman defeating a tank . And yes, it's happened .
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I suggest just you EDIT UP the ridiculously low resource appearance rates Firaxis gave us.
Will this work for his current game?

I thought you couldn't mod existing games.


And I'd like to second the request to get a copy of this save file. I think I might like a try at it too.
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Having absolutely no examples of a resource any where on the map is just plain silly. Firaxis, how about patching this?
You mean patching it so it wasn't *possible*? I'd be very much against such a restriction. It would certainly ruin the "Bronze Age" scenario. Maybe have a preference to say to represent all resources, but not a rule.


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This not only allows the game to still progress through the ages, it allows countries screwed out of a resource to still maintain a competitve front
What are you going to build the tank out of? Wood? With really tough paint? This would be completely unrealistic. I'm not enough of an historian to know how things were in ancient times, but resources were major factors in WWII. Japan's lack of oil lead it to attack Perl Harbor, and all parties were scrounging for all sorts of medals (the penny was not made out of copper during WWII because we needed the copper too badly).
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