Most popular game? - Page 2

Vlad Antlerkov · July 17, 2002, 17:52

RTS: No opinion here.

TBS: Civilization series, excluding CTP and SMAC.

FPS: Ever? Doom, no contest. (IIRC, around 40 million people have the shareware version; the game's sold a few million at retail.) Right now? Half-Life.

RPG: Diablo II.

FWIW, Final Fantasy has been around since 1987, when FFI was released in Japan.

Grumbold · July 17, 2002, 18:06

You'd be right that console games sell more these days (and probably have for most of a decade)

The Sims has to be the bestseller on the PC even if you take the original game alone.

NWN is reputedly selling a LOT of units in its first month, but that will have to continue for it to break any records. It should stomp that lame RTS Diablo into the ground though

Apocalypse · July 17, 2002, 18:29

I just remember, Gettysburg! is the most popular Civil War game.

I don't know if NWN will beat Diablo. It has sold in the millions while many are disappointed with NWN.

FrustratedPoet · July 17, 2002, 18:42

Many were disappointed with Diablo 2 too.

/me stills hears the cries of "Diablo 2 is not an RPG" in his sleep.

(it IS!! ... /me looks at Grumbold ...

j/k)

That didn't make much of a difference to it's sales.

General Ludd · July 17, 2002, 19:30

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Osweld - I do not think CS is a first-person shooter. FPS games are Doom, Quake, Unreal, but not CS... it's more about teamwork.

Yeah, and civ isn't really a strategy game... it's more about empire building.

Kassiopeia · July 17, 2002, 19:32

FF8 sold more then FF7? Actually, that's not much of a surprise since I bought a new copy, but the first disc was so ****ed up that I had to purchase a used one from a friend to get past Disc One... I sold a working Disc Three to another friend, and almost covered my loss from that earlier purchase, though.

And yes, our household has a copy of The Sims...

JohnIII · July 18, 2002, 11:15

I think we must be really weird over here. Every Christmas, when a new Championship Manager update comes out, people flock to buy this game which, frankly, looks crap and isn't very accessible.

But I LOOOOOOVE IT!

Spaced Cowboy · July 18, 2002, 13:40

So does the most popular game mean the best selling? I know that I've bought games that I wish I could take back.

Lemmy · July 18, 2002, 14:27

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You'd be right that console games sell more these days (and probably have for most of a decade)

that doesn't mean they are more played also, playing pirated games is a lot easier on a pc than on a console.

Solver · July 18, 2002, 14:30

What he says.

Apocalypse · July 18, 2002, 14:54

Well, it is safe to assume that many people satisfied with The Sims considering all the expansion packs.

SnowFire · July 18, 2002, 15:17

Yeah, but just how many people pirate games? If 10,000 people pirate your average game, that's a pretty horrific rate as far as I'm concerned, and even that isn't going to put much of a dent in the sales difference. Besides, if you're talking about playing, many people who pirate games don't play them the tons that people who legitimately buy them do. Again, at absolute worst, maybe there's an additional 20% of people playing a pirated game. That isn't going to stop the console's massive 2:1 advantage.

As for best selling = most popular, well, it's about the best we have to go on. Sure, not everybody who buys a game likes it, but this goes for all games. A 30% dissatisfaction rate compared to a 15% dissatisfaction rate isn't going to mean much.

Apocalypse · July 18, 2002, 16:14

Don't forget there are more PC games than console games. People are also more likely to have a larger console game collection than PC game collection since console games are drastically shorter on average.

Fun NIM related trivia: What game has the highest return rate of all time?

dunk · July 19, 2002, 10:29

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Ohh, are those really PC games? I'm so happy that, by the time Civ 4 is released, we're probably going to have a second generation of civ players.

Ultima and Wizardry are PC games.

I didn't know we were limited to just PC games.

JohnIII · July 19, 2002, 10:40

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Don't forget there are more PC games than console games. People are also more likely to have a larger console game collection than PC game collection since console games are drastically shorter on average.

Drastically shorter? Well, that depends on what you want in a game, doesn't it? Console games tend to have higher replayability for unlocking stuff, which is almost unheard of in PC games.

Solver · July 19, 2002, 10:56

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Fun NIM related trivia: What game has the highest return rate of all time?

Call to Power 2

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Apocalypse · July 19, 2002, 11:15

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Originally posted by JohnIII
Drastically shorter? Well, that depends on what you want in a game, doesn't it? Console games tend to have higher replayability for unlocking stuff, which is almost unheard of in PC games.

I wouldn't say console games have higher replayability either. It'd be silly to argue console games have higher replayability for strategy games. RPGs for PCs are usually longer, and combined with their typically nonlinear storyline, are also more replayable.

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Call to Power 2

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Close, the original Call to Power.

Solver · July 19, 2002, 11:19

Original CtP is much better...

Apocalypse · July 19, 2002, 11:50

Well, yes in a way. More people thought they were buying a Sid Meier game with the original though.

JohnIII · July 19, 2002, 20:22

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I wouldn't say console games have higher replayability either. It'd be silly to argue console games have higher replayability for strategy games. RPGs for PCs are usually longer, and combined with their typically nonlinear storyline, are also more replayable.

And what about sports games, or fighting games?

Apocalypse · July 19, 2002, 21:45

Well there aren't that many sports games for the PC. The ones that are made are usually for the console also. The ones that aren't are usually things like Baseball Management Sims. These have very high replay value. Fighting games are rarely made for the PC. They usually don't have enough replay value to last as long as the average PC game though.

Urban Ranger · July 19, 2002, 22:13

Haven't seen any real fighting games (Street Fighter, King of Fighters, etc) ported to the PC. I think PC gamers are a different crowd than console games.

FWIW, I like SMAC/X better than Civ series, of which Civ 3 is the best of the lot. Maybe CtP can be very good with all the mods and patches but I can't be arsed now.

JohnIII · July 20, 2002, 07:12

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Originally posted by Apocalypse
Well there aren't that many sports games for the PC. The ones that are made are usually for the console also. The ones that aren't are usually things like Baseball Management Sims. These have very high replay value. Fighting games are rarely made for the PC. They usually don't have enough replay value to last as long as the average PC game though.

So what you're saying is:
1) Console games have less replay value, because their strategy games are worse.
2) Fighting and sports games don't count, because the PC doesn't have very good ones.

How much sense does that make?

Apocalypse · July 20, 2002, 11:26

No. I'm saying the PC doesn't have many fighting and sports games. Most of the sports games they do have, the console also has. This kinda negates the comparision. The sports games they do have are filled with replay value though. The PC doesn't have fighting games, but I'm not saying they don't count. I'm saying take the average total playing time of a fighting game and you won't reach the average playing time of your average PC game.

Solver · July 20, 2002, 11:28

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Maybe CtP can be very good with all the mods and patches but I can't be arsed now.

The big problem with many. They hear the guffaws about CtP, and hesitate to try it, though it makes an excellent game, with the best of the mods there are.

Maquiladora · July 21, 2002, 06:19

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Originally posted by JohnIII
I think we must be really weird over here. Every Christmas, when a new Championship Manager update comes out, people flock to buy this game which, frankly, looks crap and isn't very accessible.

But I LOOOOOOVE IT!

Aye

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I think generally (good) PC games tend to be more anal and less accessible for the uncommitted schooly with a swift £20 to spend, thats why console games sell in bucket loads. Mum/Dad gives them the money and off they go. Also consoles cost less compared to a PC. Adults consider others opinions on games before blinding spending £35 on a game. Civ 3 being the exception.

Although post 1.29f, if i didnbt have a copy now (christmas present) id buy it for £15, no more.