Petition to the Government - Galleys

Kuciwalker · July 20, 2002, 12:55

Dear President Ninot, War Minister UberKruX and other Ministers,

I have created this petition to build at least one Galley, preferably two or three, as soon as convenient. These Galleys would serve many purposes.

First, my short journey with jdjdjd attempting to cross to Uber Isle by raft was a failure. Our raft was simply not sturdy or stable enough for us to make it across, or even beyond sight of land. I believe that we will have a chance if we use a full-fledged Galley. Unfortunately, neither jdjdjd nor I have the resources to construct such a ship, nor the people to man her. Thus we call upon the Government to sponsor our journey of exploration.

Second, if one Galley successfully makes it to the coast of Uber Isle, we can execute a difficult maneuver known as the Uber Gambit, named after War Minister UberKruX, who initially proposed it. We would have to build another Galley, and load a Settler onto it. Then, we would sail the Galley out as far as it could go in one turn, and then transfer the Settler to the first Galley, which is in coastal waters and therefore not in danger of sinking. The first Galley would then offload the Settler onto Uber Isle and we would be able to establish a fully self-sufficient colony on the isle, which would be able to expand on its own and control the entire isle.

I ask all citizens to sign this petition.

Signed,

Skywalker
MrWhereItsAt
War Minister UberKruX
City Planner Punkbass2000
Gepap
Kring
Science Minister Civman2000
Edrix
Aro
Robber Baron
Jonny
OPD
The_Spartan
Trevor
Max

MrWhereItsAt · July 20, 2002, 13:01

I support this idea provided it does not interfere with our curent build/war plans. Thus I think we may have to delay this idea until the war with the US is at least underway.

Speaking as one who frequents the Thinkers' Guild, we cannot pass up the chance to explore for new forms of alcoho- thought that people on new lands may have to offer us.

Inverse Icarus · July 20, 2002, 13:23

I agree. Sending a Galley or two to Uber Isle (it looks more and more like an island every day!) could be in best intrests.

Best case scenario, it's a decently sized island with no one on it, and a bunch of minerals / luxuries. We sure could use that.

Plus, if it's large eough, Apolyton might actually remain the center of our empire (one of them), and keep the palace.

But IMMEDIATE goals must overshadow those for right now. we need the refresher army as stated in my SMC War Path thread. We need settlers to claim the land we raze, and head for insence valley.

I will do everything i can to petition to squeeze out 2 galleys fairly soon. all we need is ONE settler to make it to the island, and then hopefully it will be able to scout / settle by itself.

also note: if galleys sink, we're screwed.

WhiteBandit · July 20, 2002, 14:18

Well I may be ostracized for my opinion, but I think exploring Uber Isle is *not* in the best interests of our nation. I think we should focus more on trying to expand and aquire the resources around us rather than produce a galley, which might not even make it to Uber Isle.

I've attached a cheap image I made earlier (forgive the crappy artistic skills

), showing that it might be a better and wiser decision to focus expanding on our own continent.

Granted, all we have is this blasted jungle around us, but I think trying to build more cities at the moment will help our empire in the long run.

punkbass2000 · July 20, 2002, 14:54

I support building a galley, and as the City Planner will make it happen ASAP, though I ask UberKrux for his input in terms of how many more archers we're going to need and when we will have the time to build a galley.

Kuciwalker · July 20, 2002, 16:16

Signature list updated.

Kuciwalker · July 20, 2002, 16:24

I would like to christen the new ship "A.E.S. Trip" (A.E.S. - Apolytonian Exploration Ship), after our great former president.

GePap · July 20, 2002, 16:41

I support making a galley to eplore Uber Isle. I also am interested in asking if we wish to take it upon ourselves to find the other continent[s] on which the last 4 civs are. The potential rewards of being the first to make contact might be huge.

kring · July 21, 2002, 03:44

I also support the petition for a Galley. The benefits of learning more of our world are worth it. Also, the Galley could prove useful in any campaigns we might have in the future in providing our troops quicker access to some parts of the world.

civman2000 · July 21, 2002, 07:35

Get a galley but make it low priority. If we have more urgent things to build in our cities a gallye will have to wait.

July 21, 2002, 11:28

Making a galley quickly would probably be best, as long as we don't focus all of our efforts on colonization.

Kuciwalker · July 21, 2002, 11:34

Signature list updated.

BigFurryMonster · July 21, 2002, 12:50

I strongly favor NOT to make a ship. We would at least need a few ships + a settler to get anything from the island. Better focus on the upcoming war + land grab in the north.

Kuciwalker · July 21, 2002, 12:51

We would just be colonizing it. This is a long term investment, but one that we need to grab now or we'll have to fight for it, which would be very difficult.

Inverse Icarus · July 21, 2002, 13:49

Quote:

Originally posted by WhiteBandit
Well I may be ostracized for my opinion, but I think exploring Uber Isle is *not* in the best interests of our nation. I think we should focus more on trying to expand and aquire the resources around us rather than produce a galley, which might not even make it to Uber Isle.

I've attached a cheap image I made earlier (forgive the crappy artistic skills

), showing that it might be a better and wiser decision to focus expanding on our own continent.

Granted, all we have is this blasted jungle around us, but I think trying to build more cities at the moment will help our empire in the long run.

i'll say it in this thread too, a galley mould get us to those dyes / iron faster (a third of the time).

Aro · July 21, 2002, 14:09

I support this petition. Galleys are always very usefull

Robber Baron · July 21, 2002, 14:32

It looks to me as though we can afford to support this venture, as soon as we've marshalled and launched our first wave of archer/spear forces. The pay-off may be significant, the amount of resources modest. One caveat: devote I city only to galley/settler production. (Switch Banana HQ off of barracks production?)

Jonny · July 21, 2002, 14:34

I like the idea of galleys.

*Jonny signs petition*

Kuciwalker · July 22, 2002, 15:47

Signature list updated.

OPD · July 22, 2002, 18:27

*signs petition*

Does this need to go to poll or is there enough public support to carry it through.

If it needs a poll then someone better make one quick.

Captain · July 22, 2002, 20:25

as seen here in another
thread , I've elaborated more strongly on why we should concentrate on our own continent rather than some unknown isle. I would support galleys if used according to this policy.

To summarize the other thread, we're in a tough position on the continent, we're in some wars we may find tougher than we think and should concentrate on those, afterwards we'll have a tough time consolidating/colonizing enough to prevent ais from infilling us. generally, a city on the continent would be better than one on another island.

I would support the galley only if I have assurances we won't go off on some half-baked mission to colonize uber island without solid reasons. if it speeds continental colonization and secures some dyes/ivory for us, good. that's a good use.

exploration is good, but only if Uber Island has some substantial benefits that would outweigh the cost in distraction to our continental aims, would I support using a settler there. don't forget, luxuries and strat resources require a harbour for connection to the rest of the empire. that's tough on a waste/corrupt island. plus you need to build 2 of them - which, instead of, you could have built 2 libraries or temples. also, that could mean at least 80 turns before seeing that connected up.

also, for those worrying about getting there first, who cares? if we want it, we'll take it by force when we need it. the island won't be productive or useful to it's owner for quite some time. when it does become so, we'll just take it. if we're strong enough on the continent, taking the island later is no problem. splitting our empire prematurely across two continents, that's foolhardy.

I'm not against galleys, I can see them being used for transport, and to contact the remaining civs ($$$), but I'm wary of these galleys being a pretext to colonize an island unworthy of our attention (of course, I'll be quite embarrassed if Uber Island turns out to be some wonderful gift from heaven). Just because we have galleys doesn't mean we should go off trying to colonize islands just because they're there.

The_Spartan · July 22, 2002, 21:35

I will sign the petition for a galley.

trevor · July 22, 2002, 21:38

I say that we should claim Uber Isle soon before another country does. Put my name down too.

mtgillespie · July 23, 2002, 06:44

Quote:

Originally posted by UberKruX

i'll say it in this thread too, a galley mould get us to those dyes / iron faster (a third of the time).

Is a galley mould like a jelly mould?

Max · July 23, 2002, 07:58

If Uber supports this petition, I'll sign it...
After all, has our supreme military commander ever been wrong ?

DAVOUT · July 23, 2002, 09:35

I share Captain's analysis ; no settlement of Terra Incognita before we are firmly established on Abananaba.