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View Poll Results: Please vote for EACH setting : Politic, Economy, Value, Future Society
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Politic : Democracy
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Politic : Police State
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Economy : Free Market
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Economy : Planned
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Economy : Green
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Value : Knowledge
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Value : Wealth
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Future Society : Eudaimonia
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12.64% |
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Future Society : Cybernetics
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July 24, 2002, 12:03
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King
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Final - Social Engineering
This time its gonna work ! Heres the Final !
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July 24, 2002, 12:33
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King
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I voted police state/green/knowledge/eudaimonia.
why didn't the first one work?
did you forget other/banana option?
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July 24, 2002, 14:33
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Democracy/Free Market/Knowledge/Cybernetic
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July 24, 2002, 16:42
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Prince
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Democracy/Planned/Knowledge/eudaimonia.
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July 24, 2002, 17:02
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Democracy/Green/Knowledge/Eudaimonia.
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July 24, 2002, 17:26
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Demo/Green/Knowledge/Eudy.
Hey kap 
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July 24, 2002, 20:03
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BOOOOO!
GO FREE MARKET!!!!!!
(cybernetic too)
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July 24, 2002, 20:43
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What's with all the leftists voting for Green? 
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July 24, 2002, 22:51
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Demo/Plan/Knowledge/Eudy
Democratic Independant Republican
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July 24, 2002, 23:50
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Hey, I see no banana option. 
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July 25, 2002, 00:59
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Beyond the Sword AI Programmer
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Democracy, Green, Wealth, Eudo (one can never have too much industry). FreeMarket instead of green if I need to pop-boom. (one can never have too much economy, either)
edit: And WHERE pray tell, is Fundie, Power and Mind control? Don't make me lecture you on the virtues of fundie+Eudo.
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July 25, 2002, 02:26
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Originally posted by Kassiopeia
Democracy/Green/Knowledge/Eudaimonia.
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That combo seems to be winning.
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July 25, 2002, 05:57
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King
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Planned is beating Free Market !!! Yahooo !!
Eudaimonia is beating Cybernetics !!! Yahoooo !
Of course I voted : Democracy/Planned/knowledge/Eudaimonia
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Iskandar Reza : Hey, I see no banana option.
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Nope, indeed, it is a Final. Like a second turn in elections, you know what I mean. There's usually no bananas in this kind of elections. (Except in France where a scary banana happened, but whatever, I put no banana option)
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July 25, 2002, 10:04
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King
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Demo/Green/Knowledge/Cyber
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July 25, 2002, 10:58
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King
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why didn't the first one work?
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Actually, the first on edidnt worked because I forgot to click the Yes, post a new poll !!! option 
The second one didnt worked cause i forgotto enable the multiple choice
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July 25, 2002, 13:12
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King
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Demo/FM/Knowledge/Cybernetics
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July 25, 2002, 13:59
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Prince
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Another vote for Demo/Green/Knowledge/Cyber (you made it an easy choice by having no Thought Control) 
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July 25, 2002, 14:26
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King
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Its not my fault Spartak, I just took the two who had the more votes in each category, else the only choices would have been Demo/Planned/Knowledge/Eudaimonia !
Whats funny in these votes is that there's only in Economy that people make different choices...
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July 25, 2002, 18:29
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I'm pretty sure the best combo is Dem, Green, Know, Eudaimonea. That's how I voted.
Seems to me that it gives the most plusses.
I used to run free market, cybernetic until I took a good look at it. Green covers the cyber efficiency. Eudaimonea takes care of green's penalty and adds +2 industry and economy. I dunno, just add up the freakin' numbers and it's better.
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July 26, 2002, 22:09
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let me chock you...
Democracy-Green-Knowledge-Eudaimonia
youve never seen that combo in this thread right?
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July 27, 2002, 06:08
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Hmm. Better go play some more.
I'll get back to you on this once I can remember modifiers of all these settings.
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July 27, 2002, 06:43
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Beyond the Sword AI Programmer
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I'm suprised how few prefer Wealth when running Eudo... You have +4 Effic covered from Green&Demo, and IMHO +1 industry & +1economy is better value than +2 research & +1 Effic. (altough only in the presence of commerce). Your morales screwed either way with Eudo, going from -2 to -4 doesn't hurt much more.
But Green + Eudo + Fundie + Knowledge... now thats a killer combo.
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July 27, 2002, 10:00
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Playing with the Hive : Police state - Planified economy - Power - Thought control
This combo with the secret project "cloning tanks" rocks !!
But Deirdre don't seem to have me in her heart after this ...
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July 27, 2002, 15:25
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King
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Your morales screwed either way with Eudo, going from -2 to -4 doesn't hurt much more.
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Especially with a children's creche in each of your cities
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July 27, 2002, 19:44
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never underestimeate the power of the cloning vats :-)
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July 28, 2002, 05:04
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Cloning Valts are not really my fave SP, since all the new citizen are drones -that can be annoying- and my favourite SE is Demo/Planned/knowledge/EUdaimonia, I have a +6 growth anyway.
Of course, if I have the Cloning Valts, no one else has it. (Id like to be able sometime to deactivate them...)
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July 28, 2002, 19:29
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just use specialists. convert some workers to empaths a turn ahead, and crank up the psych to at least 20%. plus, eudaimonia comes in too late, and you don't even need it if you're running demo/planned: you just need creches.
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July 29, 2002, 06:45
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Taht is what I do. But honestly, I kinda dislike micromanaging every base to anticipate the drone. I'd prefer they warn me before the Drone riots like a pop-up bos saying : "There will be Drone Riots next turn if we dont do anything".
Anyway, about the 20% PSY, its a real waste with the drones. They're not able to produce huge loads of energy, so the 20% PSY wont be very effective. Plus you wont have these credits converted into labs, which are really needed for Drones. Its far better to have specialists and no PSY in SE.
As well, what specialist produce is not wasted by any inefficiency rate.
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July 29, 2002, 20:49
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My fav. combo is Democratic/Planned/Power/Eudaimonic
But if I was restricted to the choices of this poll, I'd instead go for Democratic/Planned/Knowledge/Cybernetic
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July 29, 2002, 21:46
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Anyway, about the 20% PSY, its a real waste with the drones. They're not able to produce huge loads of energy, so the 20% PSY wont be very effective. Plus you wont have these credits converted into labs, which are really needed for Drones. Its far better to have specialists and no PSY in SE.
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well, the way i see it, its better to have a size 14 base with 4 empaths (+2 econ and +2 psych IIRC), than a size 10 base with all workers. besides, i have the psych at 40/20/40 from market anyways. you'll be making more energy and labs on 40/20/40 with market than you would be at 50/50 with green or simple.
at the very least, in getting the vats you'd get the penalties from power and TC taken away, and deprive the AI from it 
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