Science tip (may be a bit of a cheat)

quadalpha · July 25, 2002, 19:03

Don't know if this is common knowledge, but if you set your science level to 100%, you'll start to lose money in a big way, but as long as there's some money in the treasury (even just 1 gold), no matter how much of a deficit you have, it always drops to 0 before going into the negatives. So you can sell your territory map or something for 1 gold each turn and sustain a 100% science rate without accumulating a crippling debt (you can always put taxes on 100% for a few turns if you need money).

FrustratedPoet · July 25, 2002, 19:10

doesn't that mean that you can't pay the upkeep on any of your city improvements?

alva · July 25, 2002, 20:36

i somewhere heard this worked on chieftain, but not on other levels. But I could be wrong.

quadalpha · July 25, 2002, 20:36

You can pay upkeep, it goes from 'Gold: 1 (-300)' to 'Gold: 0 (-300)'. All you do is get another gold to repeat the process.

DeepO · July 26, 2002, 05:39

If this is true, surely it gives rise to exploits. Thanks quadalpha!

DeepO

Iskandar Reza · July 26, 2002, 11:39

Why do you have to tell us this? Now I'll start cheating.... arghhh

DeepO · July 26, 2002, 11:41

Cheating is always a decision of the player, there are too many possibilities... but it is good to know the different exploits so you can identify them in other's games.

DeepO

Catt · July 26, 2002, 14:18

Quadalpha - on what difficulty level are you employing this tactic?

I distinctly remember moving from Chieftan to Warlord or Warlord to Regent (OK, not that distinctly

) and being surprised to see that on this new difficulty level a deficit of even 1 gpt resulted in military units and/or city improvements being disbanded / destroyed each turn.

Catt

kring · July 26, 2002, 14:32

You lose units starting with Warlord in the games I have played at Warlord; even if it is a result of getting units from goody huts.

quadalpha · July 26, 2002, 15:57

If I could play at warlord I wouldn't need any cheats/exploits

Arrian · July 26, 2002, 16:01

You're not gonna learn much by using cheats/exploits. But that's just my opinion. If you're having fun, it's all good. If your aim is to move up to higher difficulty levels, I would encourage you not to use this.

-Arrian

Chemical Ollie · July 26, 2002, 17:28

Why would anyone bother to play below monarch level after the 10 first games?

trickey · July 26, 2002, 21:21

Quote:

Originally posted by Olaf Hårfagre
Why would anyone bother to play below monarch level after the 10 first games?

Because maybe people are tired after working/ going to school all day, and they want to have a nice fun game.

Catt · July 27, 2002, 01:46

Quote:

Originally posted by quadalpha
If I could play at warlord I wouldn't need any cheats/exploits

You'll get there. Keep at it.

Blake · July 27, 2002, 06:47

Because monarch and above are warmongerers difficulties

. The easier levels are for builders.

ydiiby · July 27, 2002, 17:34

Quote:

Originally posted by Blake
Because monarch and above are warmongerers difficulties

. The easier levels are for builders.

Are you sure?

I play like a "builder" (with short wars that I don´t start) on emperor

Willem · July 27, 2002, 18:05

Quote:

Originally posted by Blake
Because monarch and above are warmongerers difficulties

. The easier levels are for builders.

I'm a builder, and I always play on Regent. As long as you expand rapidly and maintain a strong defensive force, there's no problem.

PS Oh wait, Regent's below Monarch isn't it? Never mind.

trickey · July 27, 2002, 18:31

I dont think below monarch level is a builder's game. i just think war is less necesary because the A.I. doesnt expand as quickly as on the higher levels. In the higher levels, you are less likely to get resources/ good spots because of rapid A.I. expansion. So war is more likely on higher levls, but higher levels arnt just for warmongers.

Vlado · July 29, 2002, 04:58

I tried this in my latest game, I had around 120gp in my cash register and a net of -200 gpt. When the turn ended I lost a brracks and also an artillery unit...

This on deity so at least there it doesn't seem to work.

/Cheers

quadalpha · July 29, 2002, 12:19

Thanks for the encouragement!
I've started a warlord game on the world map and it's going decidedly better than the last time I peeked out of chieftain. In fact, it's better than my last game on chieftain. I have have research set on 100 and is gaining around 30 gold/turn from trades, so I don't know whether it works or not, but I don't really intend to find out anymore.

Willem · July 29, 2002, 12:45

It won't work, it only happens on Chieftain level.