July 28, 2002, 00:31
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Settler
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Conquistador Screenshot: Theories
Snow? at the equator? This is either in a cold climate map.. which I doubt becase then there would not be elephants (unless firaxis pays no attention to real wildlife). Or, perhaps there was some type of random natural disaster feature implemented in PTW? like a volcano or even a comet strike? Nuclear winter?
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July 28, 2002, 01:28
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That screen shot shows the winter tile set.
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July 28, 2002, 01:32
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Settler
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ahh stupid me
MODERATOR ACTION: You are not the only stupid one here, Soviet.
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July 28, 2002, 02:52
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Why are you faking CFC 'moderator actions'?
Edit/ We'll all know when moderators here take some action. You won't have to tell us.
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July 28, 2002, 03:22
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Yes, now they use pictures.
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July 28, 2002, 03:25
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Pretty pictures.
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July 29, 2002, 13:46
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Originally posted by notyoueither
Why are you faking CFC 'moderator actions'?
Edit/ We'll all know when moderators here take some action. You won't have to tell us.
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Hmmm, I would think he would fear the wrath of the Moderators and not take their name in vain.
If you must pretend, why not call your little asides something close like Muderator of Murderator? I mean its obvious you don't have a high opinion of them, apparently they have upset you in someway.
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July 29, 2002, 18:03
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nice doggy
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July 29, 2002, 19:36
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Originally posted by notyoueither
Why are you faking CFC 'moderator actions'?
Edit/ We'll all know when moderators here take some action. You won't have to tell us.
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I think they already did, I saw that Ming got ahold of him on another thread.
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July 29, 2002, 20:28
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Prince
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Originally posted by ixnay37
Yes, now they use pictures.
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Yea.
Winter. Does that effect movement, combat, and production? Are we now having FOUR turns per year with seasons??
As for Conquistadors, Firaxis' tradition of BAD HISTORY continues. These were never a UU nor even a real military unit. Conquistadors were just a small bunch of gold-hungry thugs who specialized in murdering native peoples and then killing each other. Pizarro was murdered by his own men, as an example.
To make the Conquistador the Spanish UU shows again what disdain Firaxis has for reality, and how they keep turning the game into pure fantasy.
The Spanish UU should be the famous TERCIO: http://www.geocities.com/ao1617/TercioUK.html
Yea. but pretty pictures.
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July 29, 2002, 23:19
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Originally posted by Coracle
Winter. Does that effect movement, combat, and production? Are we now having FOUR turns per year with seasons??
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Nope all it is, is different graphics like Sn00py's but you can easily change between them.
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July 30, 2002, 06:12
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Prince
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what's the dog for? except for making them look more evil i mean.
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July 30, 2002, 09:19
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What's the dog for? Piss off Coracle, I assume.
Or, perhaps, a refrence to the war dogs used by the Spanish Conquistador Expeditions on their captive Native Americans. Some theories state that it was actually the use of these war dogs that caused the devistating epidemics after the Spanish arrival.
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July 30, 2002, 12:38
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Can you send the dog off to fetch things or does it have to stay with the Conquistador?
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July 30, 2002, 17:54
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Hey look, it's pretty easy:
When two Conquistatores meet and stay on the same square for some turns, they produce LOTS of small puppies that can be raised to create WAR DOGS!
It would be nice to flood enemy civilizations with awful amounts of evil little dogs...
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July 30, 2002, 22:38
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Originally posted by BigRed515
What's the dog for? Piss off Coracle, I assume.
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Intelligent remark. What are you, about 12?
Right back at ya, fella.
And Conquistadors remain a ridiculous non-historic choice for a UU. They NEVER were a Spanish "military unit", just a small bunch of thugs who went to the New World.
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July 30, 2002, 22:48
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Originally posted by BigRed515
What's the dog for? Piss off Coracle, I assume.
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Keep up those kind of posts, and you won't make it past settler
And Coracle... your response wasn't much better
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July 30, 2002, 22:57
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Sorry.
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July 30, 2002, 23:30
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Originally posted by Coracle
And Conquistadors remain a ridiculous non-historic choice for a UU. They NEVER were a Spanish "military unit", just a small bunch of thugs who went to the New World.
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True, but everyone's heard of Conquistadors. Firaxis tends to lean towards marketablity over historical accuracy.
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July 31, 2002, 12:13
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AND, by the way, does anyone have a BETTER solution for the Spanish UU?
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July 31, 2002, 13:00
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Originally posted by Caliban
AND, by the way, does anyone have a BETTER solution for the Spanish UU?
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Someone suggested a Spanish Pikeman unit. It actually has a name and was a mainstay of the Spanish Empire, I just can't rember what they called it.
Started with a "T" ......
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July 31, 2002, 23:10
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Originally posted by Caliban
AND, by the way, does anyone have a BETTER solution for the Spanish UU?
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I for one am glad it is the Conquistador and not some stupid Tercio!
Anything that replaces a pikeman or a musketeer would be useless.  At least for my offensive campaigns as Spain. Though....this might work:
Make the pikeman 2.3.1, and make the Tercio 4.3.1. I could deal with that.
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July 31, 2002, 23:49
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Warlord
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Would anyone actually change thier descion to buy the game because of the UU?
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August 1, 2002, 04:31
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Conquistadors NEVER EXISTED as a military unit, and were very small in number anyway. They got a lot smaller fast because after they finished massacring the native peoples in the New World they started killing each other. The Tercio, on the other hand, was a combination of pikemen and musketeers that dominated European battlefields for a long time.
But reality plays no part for Firaxis.
Of course it would not effect my buying (or not) PTW; it can be edited. Issues such as Culture Flipping, or MP, are the crucial ones that I'm concerned with.
The Conquistador issue is merely another indication of Firaxis' disdain for History. They are presenting PSEUDO-HISTORY, and that is worse than a Fantasy game.
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August 1, 2002, 12:39
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Originally posted by Coracle
Of course it would not effect my buying (or not) PTW; it can be edited. Issues such as Culture Flipping, or MP, are the crucial ones that I'm concerned with.
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You're right, as long as they DON"T get rid of Culture Flipping, and DO put in MP I'm in. Assuming MP isn't so buggy that its useless....
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Originally posted by Coracle
The Conquistador issue is merely another indication of Firaxis' disdain for History. They are presenting PSEUDO-HISTORY, and that is worse than a Fantasy game.
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I like that term PSEUDO-HISTORY, that does tend to discribe Civ3. But, Civ has always been about the users fantasizing about being history and not actual history itself.
Which is why they went the Conquistidor vs the Tercio (thanks, Dimorier Maximus, for refreshing my memory on the actual term). Regardless, you can always change the units in the editor and I think the Spanish Conquisidor will be useful for many mods and scenarios.
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August 1, 2002, 20:14
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I hope the incas are in so i can play as them and go invade spain and slaughter the conquistadors
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August 1, 2002, 23:14
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Maybe they'll be some sort of cheat mode where you can put a Musketman and a Pikeman unit in the same tile and merge them into a Tercio.  Though I would like some distinction between the early wheel-lock and the later flint-lock muskets... they were used in very different ways, especially when the flintlock muskets were equipped with bayonets.
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August 2, 2002, 07:48
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Originally posted by Gangerolf
I hope the incas are in so i can play as them and go invade spain and slaughter the conquistadors
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He he he That's what Civ is all about!
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August 4, 2002, 18:23
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Warlord
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Originally posted by Gangerolf
I hope the incas are in so i can play as them and go invade spain and slaughter the conquistadors
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Don't you notice that in Civ3, Americans, English, and Russians get their butt kicked more often than not, while Iroquois, Aztecs, and the French are doing very well?
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August 4, 2002, 18:24
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I personally look award to kick some Spanish ass, too.
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