When the Soviet Union comes back.

[DarthVeda]

Russia turning communist again would be the end of them... it was getting ugly in the late 80's... but now? It would be a disaster... think North Korea disaster...

[Serb]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
Cto delat'?

Idi vzdrochni.

[Ecthy]

Was heißt das?

[moomin]

Originally posted by Serb
TOTAL BULLSHIT ... total moron

I see the revisionist are out in full force in this thread.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
Was heißt das?

Dast ist... I thought you know Russian. I just answered a question "what should I do" you asked on Russian.
Anyhow, you don't need to know what it mean, it was just a silly suggestion what you could do.

[Serb]

TOTAL BULLSHIT ... total moron

Originally posted by moomin


I see the revisionist are out in full force in this thread.

You have a talent to point on critical elements in others speeches. You just missed my points between those two claims. If you could beat them go ahead.
And btw, I'm not a revisionist, I'm not even a commie. I just can't hold my self when I hear such bullsh*t calims.

[Heresson]

I was mistaken... You stick out your tongue more often than
your finger...

[Krayzeenbk]

Serb may be a revisionist and believe new lies, but you all have believed the same 50-100-year old lies.

You gotta believe in more believeable lies as old lies become obsolete

Time to change

"History is a set of lies agreed upon."
- Napoleon Bonaparte

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heresson
I was mistaken... You stick out your tongue more often than
your finger...

Heresson,
just look on the pic... (Edited: no fingers anymore) Just f*...(Edited: No swearing anymore)... Leave me alone, ok?
Do you happy now? (Edited: no smiles anymore)

Isn't it fun? (Edited: here should be a sarcastic smile)

[Serb]

Originally posted by Krayzeenbk
Serb may be a revisionist and believe new lies,

[Heresson mode on]
No, no, no, I told you am not a revisionist and I don't beleive in lies, but only in logic.

but you all have believed the same 50-100-year old lies.

Yes, yes, yes, they are beleive in old lies, very old leies, it's very bad. [heresson mode off]

[Ecthy]

Cto delat'? = What To Do ... a book by Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov.

[Ecthy]

something published by him after al, not certain if izt was a proper book.

[Krayzeenbk]

Originally posted by Serb
No, no, no, I told you am not a revisionist and I don't beleive in lies, but only in logic.

Logic is one of the biggest lies

[Ecthy]

damned typos

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Dan Severn
The point is, any government which murders or enslaves its citizens is inexcusable and inherently meaningless.

So it's okay for a government to kill and enslave people that aren't it's citizens?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
Cto delat'? = What To Do ... a book by Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov.

It should be "Chto delat?" and it wrote not by Lenin, but by Chernyshevski.
And he is not a revolutionary.

[Ecthy]

my book says cto delat, plus you you used the same phrase up there... and yes, Lenin

you have no idea

[chequita guevara]

Serb, Lenin wrote a book of the same name. In English we call it What is to be done? And boy, what mischief that little book has caused. Lesser minded comrades (which, let's face it, is the vast majority of them) took the book as a guidebook, irrespective of time and events. Lenin, himself, however, said the book no longer had any value after a couple of years. Eventually he had to write another book to counter it, Left-Wing Communism, An infantile disorder. (it goes under various names).

[Serb]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
my book says cto delat, plus you you used the same phrase up there... and yes, Lenin

you have no idea

Just type "Chernishevsky" or "What Is to Be Done" in search engine.
It's his the most known book.

[Serb]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Serb, Lenin wrote a book of the same name. In English we call it What is to be done? And boy, what mischief that little book has caused. Lesser minded comrades (which, let's face it, is the vast majority of them) took the book as a guidebook, irrespective of time and events. Lenin, himself, however, said the book no longer had any value after a couple of years. Eventually he had to write another book to counter it, Left-Wing Communism, An infantile disorder. (it goes under various names).

Is this book have another head-line "Manifest komunisticheskoi partii" or " The manifesto of communist party"?

[chequita guevara]

No. Lenin wrote What is to be Done? Burning questions of our movement. in 1902. The basic premise is that under the conditions of illegality and repression facing the all-Russian Socialist Democratic Labor Party, there was a need for a centralized party aparatus.

What would happen is that students would come to revolutionary conscienousness, begin learning Marxism, join workers circles, begain agitating for workers rihts, and then get crushed and killed or exiled. Then a new set of people would do the same, and nothing progressed beyond this point. The various circles were disconnected from each others.

Lenin argued that in order to survive and grow, there needed to be a central party apparatus that could learn the lessons of the struggle and retain the necessary information to keep the struggle going as various circles were uncovered and destroyed. It would connect all the circles for a more vigorous debate. It would be democratic, but centralized. The party would debate, and then decide on a course of action which must be obeyed. Membership in the party is voluntary, so you go along with the decisions of the majority or you leave. The party should be made up of those who have dedicated themselves to revolution, and not dilitants and others not clear on the goal of scientific socialism.

At the 1903 conference, the party split along the lines of the book, the majority with Lenin, agreeing to democratic centralism, the minority, refusing to be bound by the democratic decesions of the majority. Hence the names Majority-ite and Minority-ite, [i]Bolshevik[i] and Menshevik (I'm sure you know all this, but this is for the others).

In the 1905 revolution, however, Lenin argued that the conditions had changed, the party needed to open itself up to the masses of workers and operate as a legal, above-ground party. His own book was quoted against him by those who refused to see that things had changed (but still democratic and centralized).

[Serb]

1902?
Then I was wrong. I guess he created «The manifest of Communist party» earlier, probably in end of 19 century.

You know, we don't study his works in schools and universities since SU died. In Soviet times his works studied in every university regardless of specialization: D Perhaps today I don't think that it's too cool, but when I was a student I feel happiness that I don't have to study a huge amount of his works.

[Krayzeenbk]

I thought the communist manifesto was Karl Marx in the 1820s (or 1840s, can't remember which).

[chequita guevara]

Lenin didn't write the Communist Manifesto. You're thinking of Karl Marx. The Manifesto was written in 1847-48.

[Az]

" -Cto Delat?
- Idi vzdrochni."

[Serb]

Didn't I tell you that I'm not a commie? Now you believe me?
I never studied course the "History of communist party", because it was removed from curriculum when SU collapsed.

[Serb]

" -Cto Delat?
-Idi vzdrochni

Just don’t tell to Ecthelion, a to eshe obiditsa.

[Ecthy]

chegitz, "what to do" was just my lame attempt to translate it, "what is to be done" is probably a better translation. It's "Was tun?" in German

And Serb, you have so much of no idea at all, it bangs

[Serb]

Ecthelion,
Before Lenin wrote this article, the Russian writer Chernishevsky wrote the book with absolutely the same name.

And Serb, you have so much of no idea at all, it bangs

Why, you thought that I'm a communist?
Sorry commrade, I'm afraid I'm not.

[Az]

Serb: a ny yevo nahuy.