July 28, 2002, 23:08
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I was talking about Ming's...I have nightmares about it.
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July 28, 2002, 23:09
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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July 28, 2002, 23:59
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Originally posted by Kamrat X
1) Iīve seen him on a postcard 
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I saw him with my own eyes in mausoleum.
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2) I think heīs buried in the Kremlin wall or something. IIRC it was a burial ceremony for him in 1992(?)
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No, he is still in his mausoleum and no one gone remove him from there. (It is good for turist's buissnes  )
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July 29, 2002, 00:26
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Originally posted by Verto
How many of you are serious when you say you want the Soviet Union to return? This is sickening...
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It will return no later than Jesus' return to Earth. 
God bless the holy worker's revolution!
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July 29, 2002, 00:28
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Hehe I like this Soviet Beast guy
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July 29, 2002, 04:50
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Originally posted by Ecthelion
he's your DL, that is why
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 I'm making progress. Not so long you thought that I'm someone's DL. Now you think that I have DL. When you changed your mind? 
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July 29, 2002, 05:05
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Originally posted by Heresson
"In other news, USSR was cool for keeping the world balance against the american menace."
SU was even worse than US in that matter.
Don't dare to say to anyone from eastern Europe that
"SU was cool" in that matter.
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May I? May I? SU WAS COOL  (my little revenge for what you've done in your EU2 game. )
Paiktis mean smt different, smt that he called an American menace. Perhaps if Yankees will ever decide to bomb Warsaw, like they bombed Belgrad you will understand what he mean.
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And even if it could be done, You'd have to separate the children from their capitalistic parents' influence.
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You scare me now  Any suggestions how it could be done?
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July 29, 2002, 06:07
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Originally posted by Fez
To the communists: How about a handshake and I will retract the rude comments I have made against you?
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Itīs not good enough Fez, you will have to change your debating style. Look at some of the other anti-communist posters here, like Imran. Civility is the keyword.
Now, I kinda like you Fez (God knows why... ) but your debating style gets tiresome when your back is against the wall...
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July 29, 2002, 07:00
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If not SU we would be today on a better level of anything.
US influence wasn't destroying the economics, SU was.
How it could be done? Give me a chance. I'd be better than Feliks Edmuntowicz himself 
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July 29, 2002, 07:30
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I feel bored already when thinking of reading through 3-4 pages of posts just so that I could write my input on this subject. And that makes sleepy enough not to take part in this discussion... 
But one thing to mention... Those who think that they have anything to say on communism, should first read some proper literature, make up their mind on the subject and then discuss. Otherwise we only get some USA flavoured anti-communism bull from the Cold War era.
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July 29, 2002, 07:39
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July 29, 2002, 07:45
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KX - that strongly reminds me of Siro's debating style even when he's not with his back against the wall 
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July 29, 2002, 07:52
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KX?
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July 29, 2002, 08:02
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Ecthelion: that's the ME threads. Everything goes there. Of course , a small troll pointing out Siro , while ignoring Mobius and CyberGnu is ok , isn't it ?
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July 29, 2002, 08:04
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KX- Kamrat X . A lame nick , isn't it? ( yes, I know , "look who's talking." )
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July 29, 2002, 08:07
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Ok, thanks. Didn't get the point first. 
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July 29, 2002, 10:58
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Originally posted by Kamrat X
Itīs not good enough Fez, you will have to change your debating style. Look at some of the other anti-communist posters here, like Imran. Civility is the keyword.
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But I have been... I haven't gone yelling at people like crazy like I used to, and I presented some points the opposition still has yet to rebut.
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Now, I kinda like you Fez (God knows why... ) but your debating style gets tiresome when your back is against the wall...
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I don't know why you would like me anyways. Our political beliefs are starkly different and our economic beliefs are complete opposite.
My back is NOT against the wall, I am just defending my opinion.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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July 29, 2002, 11:03
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your school obviously hires people based on their social, rather than pedagogical skills
the real decline of soviet economy started under khruschev. former ussr states are still running on infrastructure created during stalin.
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joseph 1944: LaRusso if you can remember past yesterday I never post a responce to one of your statement. I read most of your post with amusement however.
You are so anti-america that having a conversation with you would be poinless. You may or maynot feel you are an enemy of the United States, I don't care either way. However if I still worked for the Goverment I would turn over your e-mail address to my bosses and what ever happen, happens.
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July 29, 2002, 11:06
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Originally posted by LaRusso
your school obviously hires people based on their social, rather than pedagogical skills
the real decline of soviet economy started under khruschev. former ussr states are still running on infrastructure created during stalin.
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Look my teacher was just joking around... he always has a joke to say and criticizes everybody including himself jokingly. He is never meant to be offensive.
Stalin did send 20 million people to rot in Gulags.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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July 29, 2002, 11:06
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Originally posted by Dan Severn
Russia is just as poor now as it has always been. By western standards, the government is still repressive. However, nowadays the government could never get away with killing tens of millions of its own citizens. It's a good thing the soviet empire is gone. It won't be back.
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interesting point. russia will always be worse than its western counterparts. we can disagree about tens of millions, but the perspective is there...they are just as bad by today's standards today as they were by past standards in 1930's
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joseph 1944: LaRusso if you can remember past yesterday I never post a responce to one of your statement. I read most of your post with amusement however.
You are so anti-america that having a conversation with you would be poinless. You may or maynot feel you are an enemy of the United States, I don't care either way. However if I still worked for the Goverment I would turn over your e-mail address to my bosses and what ever happen, happens.
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July 29, 2002, 11:07
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LaRusso, at least they are having economic growth that can be sustained and is not superficial.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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July 29, 2002, 11:08
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Originally posted by Fez
Stalin did send 20 million people to rot in Gulags.
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You need one more zero there. I am sure it was closer to 200 million
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joseph 1944: LaRusso if you can remember past yesterday I never post a responce to one of your statement. I read most of your post with amusement however.
You are so anti-america that having a conversation with you would be poinless. You may or maynot feel you are an enemy of the United States, I don't care either way. However if I still worked for the Goverment I would turn over your e-mail address to my bosses and what ever happen, happens.
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July 29, 2002, 11:09
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Originally posted by Fez
LaRusso, at least they are having economic growth that can be sustained and is not superficial.
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haha, the results of 'fake' growth during stalin can still be seen on dnieprostroi and moscow metro. putin does not have enough money today to repair that infrastructure, let alone build it anew. anyway, a good proportion of the growth was there because the oil prices shot up. we'll see....
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joseph 1944: LaRusso if you can remember past yesterday I never post a responce to one of your statement. I read most of your post with amusement however.
You are so anti-america that having a conversation with you would be poinless. You may or maynot feel you are an enemy of the United States, I don't care either way. However if I still worked for the Goverment I would turn over your e-mail address to my bosses and what ever happen, happens.
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July 29, 2002, 11:11
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Originally posted by LaRusso
haha, the results of 'fake' growth during stalin can still be seen on dnieprostroi and moscow metro. putin does not have enough money today to repair that infrastructure, let alone build it anew. anyway, a good proportion of the growth was there because the oil prices shot up. we'll see....
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Lets see here: Putin has been abled to transform his economy into one that works, and has been abled to make the government transparent. The first time that has ever happened in Russia. Also the proportion of growth was actually from economic diversification. And Russia has been named a free market economy by the US.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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July 29, 2002, 11:23
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Moomin, you may quote as much of Nazi platform as you want. It doesn't matter. When it came to getting votes, Hitler was the friend of the working man, a true Christian, not to forget a man of peace who just wants to unify the German people.
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Well, Stefu, I agree Hitler, like most politico's, was happy to ride any pony that happened to be headed his way.
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When it came to real life, that wasn't true, of course. Hitler in public vs. Hitler in private were wholly different deals.
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And what particular practices of nazi policy makes you doubt their socialist zeal? Tip: mentioning thing that come from the national side of the national socialist equation doesn't really cut it - they did this on top of, and in addition to, their socialist practices.
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"I think the real figures probably are about a million or less." - David Irving on the number of Holocaust victims.
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July 29, 2002, 11:30
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JohnT looks eagerly to post to this thread, only to hesitate when he see's that Fez has posted his regular inanities. I mean, why bother?
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July 29, 2002, 11:31
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Originally posted by JohnT
JohnT looks eagerly to post to this thread, only to hesitate when he see's that Fez has posted his regular inanities. I mean, why bother?
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Thanks a lot for spitting in my face. 
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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July 29, 2002, 11:33
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And what particular practices of nazi policy makes you doubt their socialist zeal?
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Well, one could mention anti-union legislation and such, but what you're asking to do is proving a negative. I'll phrase it this way and throw it back at you: what particular practices of Nazi policy make you believe they were zealous socialists?
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July 29, 2002, 12:00
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And what particular practices of nazi policy makes you doubt their socialist zeal? Tip: mentioning thing that come from the national side of the national socialist equation doesn't really cut it - they did this on top of, and in addition to, their socialist practices.
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What socialist practices? What, just because their organization called itself socialist, you believe it? Does that mean that you believe that Freedom Road Socialist Organization is really about freedom? Is Prairie Fire really about a Prairie Fire? Is Acorn really about an acorn? Does New Labor have anything to do with labor?
The Nazis smashed the unions and replaced them with new Nazi unions, which gave the employers everything they asked for and reported to the government on any disgruntled workers. They handed over huge subsidies to major corporations, including slaves. They conquered huge swathes of terriroties and then handed the resources in those territories over to the corporations. Naziism is a capitalist's wet dream of profitablity.
Even a minor capitalist like Schindler could walk into Aushwitz and demand his workers be released (greased with a bribe). Had IG Farben or GE or Krupps demanded that their slaves be fed and clothed better, it would have happened.
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July 29, 2002, 12:07
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But I have been... I haven't gone yelling at people like crazy like I used to, and I presented some points the opposition still has yet to rebut.
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Itīs a start I guess... But keep working on it
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I don't know why you would like me anyways. Our political beliefs are starkly different and our economic beliefs are complete opposite.
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So are Imrans and Wraiths and even Ozzy, I still think theyīre nice guys... Itīs not like Iīm hitting on you or anything...
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