P4 policial thread - Page 11

DeathByTheSword · September 2, 2002, 10:56

btw how can i get my new UN constitution thread topped?

Method · September 2, 2002, 11:18

make a separate thread, say DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS THREAD and PM Ming with the link asking him to top it.

13 pages?

Zakharov VII · September 3, 2002, 00:32

Hello P4...

After much (well, actually, very little) persuasion from a certain member, I have decided to officially join P4.

Please note, however, that this does not mean that suddenly I will conform to everything P4 decides. Neither will I blindly vote for the candidates the party supports. P4 just seems to be making the most sense right now, and I did vote for quite a few P4 candidates in the last election (TKG and Archaic are the ones that come to mind, I'm not sure I was conscious of part alignment when voting, just the candidates' views). I have read through the thread twice (yes, all 13 pages), and so I'm rather familiar with P4's stand on issues. So I might as well say how I differ.

First, on Social Engineering, I might as well save us time and just refer you to Archaic's speech, which I believe is posted on page 5 of this thread. The only thing I disagree on is the use of a Punishment Sphere - I propose we have a full-fledged specialist base, not just the size 1 specialist alternative proposed. Crawlers will make this easy - just 4-5 crawlers on Condensors will get us to pre-Hab Complex levels, with an equal amount crawling Rocky mines (if we have a signifigant military force, more minerals would be needed). In addition, the wording on Democracy in the speech is clear, so I'll clarify at least my position: no Democracy early. We cannot give up the extra Support minerals until we have reached our critical mass - we cannot waste time in the early years on Democracy; the people need a strong, powerful government to guide them early on. I see a use for Planned only when we wish to enter an era of incredible growth, soon after Automation or Environmental Economics.

I am completely against atrocities, Punishment Spheres included. We will fight our battles, whether they be domestic rioting or full-fledged war, "civilly" (seems an odd word to describe it

).

So, until I find my views straying terribly from P4's, I would like to be part of the party.

Z

DeathByTheSword · September 3, 2002, 09:47

well we (just yesterday) are tottaly against atrocities too and i like the idea of a special base without the punishment sfere and ofcourse welcome Zakharov VII.

The Bloody Baro · September 3, 2002, 10:13

Welcome Zakharov VII! Pleasure to have ye aboard [oh no I"m starting to sound like a pirate! Kill me now! Kill me now!]

Method · September 3, 2002, 16:18

well Z7, i just tried out the running market early on in SP (used morgan, and had no choice since he can't run planned) and it got my research rate down to 5 turns in 2150. while this proves it works, i still think we should go for planned anyway (nobody else will be for it).

DeathByTheSword · September 3, 2002, 16:23

i think we need to change our early SE choices with demo in to normal and late early to demo! what you think?

Method · September 3, 2002, 16:26

well, if we skip ethical calculus for later, then once we have demo, most of our expansion should be finished and thus who cares about 10 free minerals. i had no problem even with morgan's -1 support. in fact, morgan might just be my new favourite faction (but don't tell pandemoniak! as far as he's concerned, i still like the UoP better

)

DeathByTheSword · September 3, 2002, 17:06

well that settle for me then.

Pandemoniak · September 3, 2002, 17:15

Quote:

Originally posted by TKG
well, if we skip ethical calculus for later, then once we have demo, most of our expansion should be finished and thus who cares about 10 free minerals. i had no problem even with morgan's -1 support. in fact, morgan might just be my new favourite faction (but don't tell pandemoniak! as far as he's concerned, i still like the UoP better

)

Damn Capitalist Pig ! I knew it (OOC: I like to play Morgan too, especially with a planned economy

)

Method · September 3, 2002, 19:07

now now, you know my desire for free market is purely in the interest of research

sorry to burst your bubble, but morgan can't run planned

Nubclear · September 3, 2002, 20:25

Quote:

Originally posted by TKG
now now, you know my desire for free market is purely in the interest of research

sorry to burst your bubble, but morgan can't run planned

I thought that was green...?

Method · September 3, 2002, 20:51

no...thats another thing that makes morgan hard to play...he can't pop boom without using GA's.

Zakharov VII · September 4, 2002, 01:42

Quote:

Originally posted by TKG
no...thats another thing that makes morgan hard to play...he can't pop boom without using GA's.

...or not at all (barring late solutions like Cloning Vats and Eudaimonia) if you're not running SMAC in SMAX

...

Sorry I don't have time to write up much on various things, I'm tired

.

EDIT: With Zak or Lal, I do like Democracy/Planned/Wealth Golden Ages

Z

Thud · September 5, 2002, 12:47

I'm going to join this party. Gee, I hope somebody notices this post beneath 10 pages of debate. I also hope this was the right plave to put this. Better post in the party thread too...

Maniac · September 5, 2002, 12:52

You knocked on the right door. You're more than welcome here!

Any policy suggestions? Things you agree/disagree with?

FlameFlash · September 5, 2002, 12:58

I'm going to hop in and welcome Thud too... as well as advise you, Thud, to stop by the EDP thread, there's some discussion going on about a merger between P4 and EDP and you are certainly welcome to throw in your insights/suggestions.

DeathByTheSword · September 5, 2002, 15:57

welcome Thud i hope we will see a lot of your name on the forum (what ever your ideas maybe

) welcome welcome welcome

Method · September 5, 2002, 18:05

welcome thud! our party, and the whole game in general needs more members

AdamTG02 · September 5, 2002, 18:47

As discussed in the EDP thread, many members of both our parties would like a mailing list to discuss merging the two. So, I've set up the 3D (Democrats for Discovery and Development) mailing list. Email me if you'd like to join (for most of you, that only means responding to the emails I've just sent out).

The Bloody Baro · September 7, 2002, 16:44

I've got a slight problem I can't find the yahoo group.

Method · September 7, 2002, 16:55

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smac3d/

you need to register with yahoo.

AdamTG02 · September 7, 2002, 21:42

The Bloody Baro: Sorry if I missed you in sending out emails. You came between the members who signed up on the first two pages and the two new members, so I might very well have missed you. You should be added to the group now, though.

I'll be making TKG the moderator eventually, if we decide to keep the mailing list, but I want to make sure we have everyone first so that I don't make him do all the work involved. I'll be sending out an email later tonight with a digest of the list traffic that's gone on so far; members can also find an archive at the URL TKG has posted.

About registering with Yahoo: I don't like it either, but Yahoo has bought eGroups, which was the only listserv provider I knew of back when it still existed. They didn't make you register, but Yahoo does. Hopefully it's not too much of a hassle.

Method · September 7, 2002, 21:59

we could keep the mailing list for inter-party polls! other than that though, posting on poly or PMs are better because IMO it's easier to understand and less complicated (also, you get +1

)

registering with yahoo isn't a big deal, just IMO unnecessary. can't see how it would possibly be bad though.

FlameFlash · September 8, 2002, 16:28

I never had to register to Yahoo... as long as you're invited you don't have to... just use your regular e-mail address... that's what I'm doing.

And be sure to keep the message or remember the way to post there... then you don't ever have to log onto yahoo.

Method · September 20, 2002, 19:52

euh, sorry guys, but i'm quitting the party. its not that i don't agree with P4's policies, i just don't see the point of parties in general anymore

and in doing this i hope i'm not creating any enemies here like tass did when he quit CCCP

Nubclear · September 20, 2002, 20:49

Quote:

Originally posted by TKG

euh, sorry guys, but i'm quitting the party. its not that i don't agree with P4's policies, i just don't see the point of parties in general anymore

and in doing this i hope i'm not creating any enemies here like tass did when he quit CCCP

Welcome to Independance!

Pandemoniak · September 21, 2002, 05:12

Hey, I didnt know Tassadar made ennemies for quitting the CCCP...

DeathByTheSword · September 21, 2002, 07:12

I already spoke with TKG about this earlier and he does it before me

but i agree with him i am leaving too execpt if someone can explain the use of parties to me i will stay because as is the same case with TKG i still believe in the ideas of P4

Darkness' Edge · September 21, 2002, 09:03

daa daa daa daa, another one bites the dust

dbts: there really isn't much use for parties. one can still hold an ideological viewpoint as an independent. my stance hasn't changed an inch from where i was in the CDC...i'm just an independent now

welcome to the world of freedom and conscience voting