Nomination Thread - Term 1

[Pandemoniak]

I haven't read Sun Tzu, but I know Machiavelli the Prince and Heidegger's paths !

laughs in the assembly

Pandemoniak,
in For I have walked with the Drones

[DeathByTheSword]

I have that on my list of to-read-books but I am reading about the KGB right know and after that 'a book of five rings' from mishimoto Masushi then Machiavelli.

BTW I havent yet got a response on my text that Voltaire quoted

[Voltaire]

Originally posted by DeathByTheSword
BTW I havent yet got a response on my text that Voltaire quoted

I’m sorry, could you refresh my memory since I have no clue what you’re talking about. I tend to forget fairly quickly.

[DeathByTheSword]

i ment that i ask sprayber, because he is running for D of D, what is doctrine was because he said that a military leader has to be consistenced. and I do not believe that is right!

[Kassiopeia]

I, CDC and LSD candidate for Director of Social Engineering, would like to say this:

My goals should I receive this position can be squeezed to these words: Flexibility and Efficiency.

Flexibility; in all situations will I endeavour to reach the SE modifiers and energy/tech/psych rates best suiting our situation, be it war or peace. In early game I suggest having a tech rate as high as our economy allows.

Efficiency; as high efficiency as possible (as much as allowed by Flexibility) to ensure economical growth and to hinder drone problems. Also a high efficiency reduces the penalty from having tech or energy rates of over 50 % and the costs from choosing new SE choices is also negated.

In terms of base control, I do not support nerve stapling (an atrocity) in any case (barring immediate lost of the entire base), nor do I support usage of Punishment Spheres (although we probably won't have them by the end of the next term, I wanted to let you know) because of the moral implications and the horrid research penalty.

My preferred policy in SE choices is, Democracy as soon as possible, to balance the efficiency penalty (economy) and to encourage population growth (expansion).
Green as soon as possible, to increase efficiency and to conjure combat bonuses against native life and to have the ability to capture them. FM, though, is considerable in some situations; more energy means more research, though the Planet penalty from it is very disconcerting.
Knowledge as soon as possible, to increase efficiency even more, and to boost scientific progress.

Also, as D of SE I will not support Planned Economics; since our faction is the Peacekeepers, we won't even have the possibility to switch to Police State. Additionally, I will do my best to prevent any drone riots.

(same speech posted to CDC thread)

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by DeathByTheSword
i ment that i ask sprayber, because he is running for D of D, what is doctrine was because he said that a military leader has to be consistenced. and I do not believe that is right!

Pherhaps I sould have said consistent when dealing with the people and other directors not on the field. If an army went out and only did things one way all the time then they would soon be destroyed. But a director is responsible for more then just the actual field operations. But if you want a director bent on getting us into wars with everyone I'm sure the other candidate will be more then happy to take care of that.

[DeathByTheSword]

I fully argree on that Sprayber but IF you beliefed in one simple attack plan i wont have votes at all.

[Archaic]

Greetings fellow citizens of Apolyton. My name is Archaic, and I address you today as the P4 canditate for Director of Social Engineering. By the time I am finished, I hope you have a better understanding of the policies I would push in this position if I were elected.

Unlike my esteemed opponent Kassiopeia, I can sum up my position in but one short word. Adaptability.

I feel our Social Engineering position should best suit our situation, but it should also fit into our ideological perspective. We are not savages, and so we should not act as such. Be us in war or in peace, we should not abandon our ideals.

As such, while I do not support the use of Nerve Stapling, I do however support usage of a single Punishment Sphere in a single Prison Base, where war criminals and other violent, unable to be rehabilitated offenders, would be put to work for the common good in useful tasks. Stationed to watch over them of course would be the bulk of our military power, a power I hope we may never need. Indeed, one would hope that the Punishment Sphere is never needed, and that its mere presence in this single base would deter the prisoners from rash actions. Of course, this is not to say that in extreme circumstances that it would not be used. Certainly dangerous war criminals who violate the UN Charter should be properly incarcerated such that they pay for their crimes.

While I see great benifits both economically and scientifically for our society in a Free Market economy, I also see the value of a Planned economy for brief spurts of growth. Under a Planned economy of course, we must also run under a Democracy, such that the inefficiency caused by this socialist economic model may be overcome. Under a Free Market, I see us as being more flexable. While Democracy is of course preferred, during periods in the first years of our colonies, a Democracy may cost us far too much in support than it gains us in efficiency and population growth. For these periods, a Frontier political model may be more appropriate, and indeed, I see us running under this sort of system for a great length of time.

As for Green Economics, I see a place for these as well in our society. But I do not see them within the next 100 years, within our lifetimes. The issue of Green economics will be debated by later governments, later directors. It is our duty to leave them with a society than can cope with the reduced growth, the reduced production and research through lack of energy, that this economic model will cause. And that is best achieved without putting unnecessary strictures on our economy. Our people will learn to cause less pollution sooner if they cause some pollution first, but if they never cause pollution to begin with, they will be stuck in a technological rut using old and surpassed equipment. In short, we must despoil the environment slightly now such that later we are in a position to be able to restore it to and keep it in pristine condition. If we run a Green economic system before we're ready, we could easily stife our societies development to the point where we're unable to remain its protectors in the future.

On the issue of Fundamentalism, or "Fundy" as it has come to be known, I am wholeheartedly opposed to the idea of any sort of religious theocracy, no matter if it be Catholic, Islamic, or any of the other religions of old earth. However, there are other styles of Fundamentalism that may be appropriate in certain circumstances. Styles based not on religion, but on ideals of philosophy, such as those of Sun-Tzu and Confucious, which I believe would be familiar to many of you. I see a use in these philosophies in our society when it comes time for us to gird ourselves for war. While I would hope such a situation never comes to pass, I am a realist, and I acknowledge that we can never hope to truly bring all the warring factions together united under the ideals of democracy without conflict.

On our societies social values, I must throughly rebut any idea that our society aspire to the ideals of "Power". As I stated earlier, we are not savages, so let us not act like them! However, I see places for both Knowledge & Wealth values in our society at certain points. Indeed, while this strays from the party line, I see a strong economy as being the ultimate driving force behind any research effort, and given the levels of expansion I would hope our society will eventually reach, aspiring to the values of "Wealth" may actually bring us in more research than the values of "Knowledge". In either case, our choice here must be carefully balanced between research and energy. There is no point researching all there is to research if our economy is such that we cannot turn this research into things!

Finally, while my opponent has made assurances to prevent drone riots, I find this an unreasonable demand of this directorship, given that we have no direct control over the work allocations or facilities built in bases. While I am certainly in favour of "doping" our citizens into Golden Ages through Psych allocation, I do not believe this should be a factor in the early years, where we should be focusing on a balance of economy and research. Our economy simply would be unable to sustain the inefficiencies created in the short term, and indeed, it may take just as long for altering Economy/Labs/Psych allocations to become reasonable as it is for Green economics to become workable.

(A copy of this speach has also posted to the P4 Political Thread)

[Voltaire]

Fellow citizens, science is the key to development and to self-improvement, it is because of this belief which I have that I desire to serve you all as Director of Science and Technology. I do not believe that partisan politics should play a part in candidacy for this post since all candidates do share the same central beliefs about the role of knowledge in society, but rather than spout rhetoric I will outline my direct policy which I hope to implement in the Director of Science and Technology, as well as my policy in relation to other departments. My hope is that I will get elected to the post based not on party lines, but rather on policy.

I intend to be in touch with the public on all issues, and therefore will run polls to determine the public’s stance on what knowledge and technologies we should pursue. It is my hope to serve all the people and not just the majority, thus I will make it a policy to ask all citizens when voting to state their reasons behind their opinion in order to provide me with as much information as possible in order to be able to serve your needs better.

Likewise, just as I intend to take into account the opinions on the public, circumstances should also play a role in determining what technologies we require. It will be a policy of my administration to keep a close eye on all matters in order to have the necessary information to make the proper decisions. Though I’m certain those dedicated to research such as myself would like nothing more than for us to pursue pure knowledge at all times, but this simply isn’t feasible, we must take into account matters such as if we are involved in a conflict, population growth rate, the needs of the citizens, and so forth.

And finally before I outline my initial policy on the course of research which we should follow in the coming years on Planet, I wish to make the stance of my administration clear on our dealings with other departments. I will personally push for other departments to keep in mind the vital role of science; and as such it will be the policy of this administration to seek the contraction of labs and various institutions which benefit research, not only for the sake of research itself, but also to improve the lives of our citizens as well. We will also keep a close eye on the Directory of Social Engineering to make certain that our department receives proper allocations in order to be able to meet the needs and desires of the people. Our relationship with the Directory of Foreign Affairs will be a close on, and we shall take an active role when it comes to exchange of knowledge with other factions, for trade not only benefit our relations with other factions but it also frees up our own resources and enables this department to speed up our research. As for the matter of giving technologies away to other factions, we believe it best to seek compensation in the form of energy credits if new technologies cannot be obtained, but our stance on selling technology to other factions is more strict, we should not be making our rivals stronger, nevertheless I realize that Foreign Affairs is a delicate matter and so such decisions should be left in the hands of the Directory of Foreign Affairs.

And now let us move on to the specifics…

In the coming years, as I mentioned, it is vital for us to develop our infrastructure. Therefore my plans include concentrating our research efforts on the sphere of Biogenetics; we in turn from this receive an invaluable facility of Recycling Tanks (proving for an increase in nutrients, minerals, and energy at a based) as well as the Human Genome Project. Though my reasons for choosing this path are not only due to the facilities provided for, but also Biogenetics opens the doors to the Secrets of the Human Brain which will only further hasten our scientific development. Centauri Ecology would be most appropriate to research afterwards seeing as it provides us with Formers and thus the possibility to being the terraforming of Planet. After which I believe that research into Social Psych would prove invaluable for it provides us with Recreations Commons for all citizens thus improving their lives, but more importantly it will enables us to complete research into Secrets of the Human Brain leading to other scientific breakthroughs. Social Psych also opens the doors to Ethical Calculus, allowing us to choose Democracy under Social Engineering. But I’m getting ahead of myself; this proposal is just a draft which will be revised pending input from citizens.

It is my hope that I have given you a clear understanding on what I stand for, and my vision for Planet.

Thank you for your time.

Academician Voltaire;
Election Speech

***copies of the speech have been posted in the CDC and LSD party thread***

[Method]

I do not disagree with anything my opponent, Voltaire, has said, but i would like to work the director of expansion and intelligence to ensure that we have inflitrated the enemy, and that we know what technologies they are researching, so that we can trade with them and become even more knowledgeable.

Centauri Ecology (E1) would be the first and most important technology for me, and then as Voltaire said, Secrets of the Human Brain (D2) via Social Psych (B1) to stimulate further research. Ethical Calculus (E2) is an important priority for me as are Industrial Automation (B3), and Doctrine: Mobility (E1) to encourage exploration.

The discovery of these technologies would allow three secret projects (Weather Paradigm, Virtual World, Planetary Transit System) as well as the Human Genome Project allowed by research in Biogenetics (D1) done on the Unity. The above technologies would also allow the social models, Democratic, Fundamentalist, Free Market, Planned, and Wealth, as well as the base facilities Children's Creche, Recreation Commons, Recycling Tanks, Energy Bank, Network Node, Hab Complex, and Hologram Theatre. The all important Terrforming Unit and Supply Transport modules would also be available to our colony.

This, is just a suggested course, and i would be open to any other paths suggested by our citizens. Under the event of an early war, the above strategy is flexible, and could be adapted such that defence and weapons were a priority. If an early war occured, Synthetic Fossil Fuels (E4) and the Missile Launcher (A6) could be reached by researching only 6 other technologies if necessary, one of them being High Energy Chemistry (C2) for Plasma Steel Armour (D3), another being Gene Splicing (B3) which removes the 2 nutrient per tile cap.

Perhaps a combination of this and the strictly "builder" research path is necessary to keep everyone's interests in mind, and to ensure a well rounded colony.

**This has been a paid advertisement for the TKG for director of science campaign**

[DeathByTheSword]

and the campaigning is on his wau

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by Archaic


As such, while I do not support the use of Nerve Stapling, I do however support usage of a single Punishment Sphere in a single Prison Base, where war criminals and other violent, unable to be rehabilitated offenders, would be put to work for the common good in useful tasks. Stationed to watch over them of course would be the bulk of our military power, a power I hope we may never need. Indeed, one would hope that the Punishment Sphere is never needed, and that its mere presence in this single base would deter the prisoners from rash actions. Of course, this is not to say that in extreme circumstances that it would not be used. Certainly dangerous war criminals who violate the UN Charter should be properly incarcerated such that they pay for their crimes.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are we talking about this Air Force base with immense mineral production? My question is, this base will be very low on population and therefore there won't be a drone problem so big that any regular means (specialists, Rec Commons, Holo Theatres etc.) couldn't quell. So I see idea of building this PS useless, besides I find erecting them very immoral.

As for Green Economics, I see a place for these as well in our society. But I do not see them within the next 100 years, within our lifetimes. The issue of Green economics will be debated by later governments, later directors. It is our duty to leave them with a society than can cope with the reduced growth, the reduced production and research through lack of energy, that this economic model will cause. And that is best achieved without putting unnecessary strictures on our economy. Our people will learn to cause less pollution sooner if they cause some pollution first, but if they never cause pollution to begin with, they will be stuck in a technological rut using old and surpassed equipment. In short, we must despoil the environment slightly now such that later we are in a position to be able to restore it to and keep it in pristine condition. If we run a Green economic system before we're ready, we could easily stife our societies development to the point where we're unable to remain its protectors in the future.

Wormhunting. Increased Efficiency. A 20 percent combat bonus in psi combat.

Finally, while my opponent has made assurances to prevent drone riots, I find this an unreasonable demand of this directorship, given that we have no direct control over the work allocations or facilities built in bases. While I am certainly in favour of "doping" our citizens into Golden Ages through Psych allocation, I do not believe this should be a factor in the early years, where we should be focusing on a balance of economy and research. Our economy simply would be unable to sustain the inefficiencies created in the short term, and indeed, it may take just as long for altering Economy/Labs/Psych allocations to become reasonable as it is for Green economics to become workable.

The Psych rate is not the only way to prevent drone riots; besides, a base under riots can not produce a thing so I find preventing them a necessity.

[DeathByTheSword]

about the airforcebase it is the idea to keep a at as low as possible.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Kassiopeia
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are we talking about this Air Force base with immense mineral production? My question is, this base will be very low on population and therefore there won't be a drone problem so big that any regular means (specialists, Rec Commons, Holo Theatres etc.) couldn't quell. So I see idea of building this PS useless, besides I find erecting them very immoral.

As possible future director you should know that pacifism drones are counted after anti-drone structures, thus rendering them useless.

[Voltaire]

Originally posted by TKG
Unfortunately, i do not disagree with anything my opponent, Voltaire, has said, but i would like to work the director of expansion and intelligence to ensure that we have inflitrated the enemy, and that we know what technologies they are researching, so that we can trade with them and become even more knowledgeable.

Centauri Ecology (E1) would be the first and most important technology for me, and then as Voltaire said, Secrets of the Human Brain (D2) via Social Psych (B1) to stimulate further research. Ethical Calculus (E2) is an important priority for me as is Industrial Automation (B3).

The discovery of these technologies would allow three secret projects (Weather Paradigm, Virtual World, Planetary Transit System) as well as the Human Genome Project allowed by research in Biogenetics (D1) done on the Unity. The above technologies would also allow the social models, Democratic, Fundamentalist, Free Market, Planned, and Wealth, as well as the base facilities Children's Creche, Recreation Commons, Recycling Tanks, Energy Bank, Network Node, Hab Complex, and Hologram Theatre. The all important terrforming unit and Supply Transport modules would also be available to our colony.

This, is just a suggested course, and i would be open to any other paths suggested by our citizens. Under the event of an early war, the above strategy is flexible, and could be adapted such that defence and weapons were a priority. If an early war occured, Synthetic Fossil Fuels (E4) and the Missile Launcher (A6) could be reached by researching only 6 other technologies if necessary, though neither I nor the P4 supports this strategy.

**This has been a paid advertisement for the TKG for director of science campaign**

Well said, I agree with what my opponent has stated, and we seem to share similar viewpoints on matters pertaining to research. Though there are several issues I would like to address at this point which I failed to do earlier but I believe they are relevant.

Both I and my opponent, I’m certain, support Knowledge as the SE value choice, but what of future societies? I firmly support the implementation of a Cybernetic society in order to help propel scientific discovery, of course as I have stated before though I will push for this change as soon as it becomes possible pending the circumstances allow it and following input from citizens.

The other issue is that of trade, it appears once again as though my opponent and I share similar views on this issue. The third candidate for the office who is running for the ACE coalition from his previous statements opposes any trade of technology from my understanding, I invite him to (if I have misunderstood him) clarify this issue and to debate on the merits of technological trade.

I will open the floor now to any questions.

Academician Voltaire;
Election Speech

[Method]

i would under normal SP circumstances have a cybernetic society, but P4's policy remains eudaimonic.

Voltaire-ACE has no candidate running for director of research (according to Tass's list)

[Voltaire]

Originally posted by TKG
i would under normal SP circumstances have a cybernetic society, but P4's policy remains eudaimonic.

Lol, finnaly a difference.

[Sprayber]

Would enviromental issues fall under Terrforming and Colonization?

[Voltaire]

Originally posted by TKG
Voltaire-ACE has no candidate running for director of research (according to Tass's list)

Check the Apolyton Coaliton for Expansion thread, there is someone running for the position.

[Method]

it doesnt count unless they post it here

[Maniac]

As we are on the Earth/Unity, we don't know there is a need for an environmentalist director. Later of course we will be shocked to discover the terror of mind worms. I guess it would fall under Economy (dealing with pollution) and Defence (dealing with the native life itself).

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by M@ni@c


As possible future director you should know that pacifism drones are counted after anti-drone structures, thus rendering them useless.

Yes but Holo Theatre's + 50 percent to Psych can't be forgotten. The Rec Commons just tagged along.

Edit: besides, I rarely encounter pacifist drones when playing SP, must have something to do with my style.

about the airforcebase it is the idea to keep a at as low as possible.

No pop = no drone problem.

[Method]

Originally posted by Kassiopeia
No pop = no drone problem.

which was my point all along

[Maniac]

Kassiopeia, I doubt a size 1 base would produce lots of psych energy for the hologram theatre to have an effect on.

Btw, our most honoured member TKG discovered we probably won't need a Sphere.

Edit: So just drop the issue!!!!

[Method]

although i'm happy that you honour me, i can't take credit for it. Kass discovered it last night, i merely reported it

[Kassiopeia]

Uum, it was *me* in the chat who discovered this first. Not that it's relevant. I'll drop it now.

[Maniac]

Ah, in that case:

Btw, our most honoured colleague Kassiopeia discovered we probably won't need a Sphere.

Edit: So just drop the issue!!!!

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by M@ni@c
As we are on the Earth/Unity, we don't know there is a need for an environmentalist director. Later of course we will be shocked to discover the terror of mind worms. I guess it would fall under Economy (dealing with pollution) and Defence (dealing with the native life itself).

Thats the whole point. No one knows anything about the enviroment on a new planet. Should there not be someone specific designated to deal with it? Or are we pretending Dee is still in charge of that I guess we can make every area responsible for the enviroment.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Sprayber
Or are we pretending Dee is still in charge of that

Pretending? How do you mean? Has she resigned her position?

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by M@ni@c


Pretending? How do you mean? Has she resigned her position?

Not resigned, she just got in another pod.

I like to think that at this point the Unity is breaking up. Everyone has gone to their respective pods and the bolts are about to blow to let us free. For whatever reason we have all chosen this pod to get in. Some by design, others because they couldn't get to another pod in time.