Do You Like Money? (Or, the Capital Party thread)

Mr. President · August 5, 2002, 21:51

To paraphrase the song, can you remember the last time love bought you clothes? We (me

) at the Capital Party believe that a strong economy is the key to happy citizens. As such we (I) advocate Free Market economics and high levels of trade and energy production. War is an inconvenience as it diverts resources from the economy, but we (I) think we should maintain some forces for defensive purposes (since our (my) Free Market philosophy makes stationing units overseas impractical).

Who will join me in liberating the markets of Planet?

The following people have joined to liberate the markets of Planet:

Mr. President
Wojit

Juliennew · August 5, 2002, 21:59

Dear Mr President, your party and the P4 share a very similar view of our new society. I hope we can cooperate on the long term.

Crisler · August 5, 2002, 22:31

(Mat 25:34-40) Then the King shall say to those on His right hand, Come, blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave me food; I was thirsty, and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger, and you took Me in; I was naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me. Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, Lord, when did we see You hungry, and fed You? Or thirsty, and gave You drink? When did we see You a stranger, and took You in? Or naked, and clothed You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and came to You? And the King shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you have done it to Me.

Love does not buy you clothes, love gives them freely. Love does not count cost, love counts actions. We of the Fundamentalist Faction belive in the value of a thriving economy. However we are on a new world and this new world brings a new way of doing things. We cannot allow the old strafication of our society to follow us here. Here the measure of a man should not be what he can hold, but what he can do. Actions, not financies should be the determining factor.

Since we will have to trade eventually with other conlies here, then I understand the need for a strong economic leadership. But that leadership should be turning the others toward a system that is not based on having more, but on doing more.

E.L. Crisler
Fundamentalist Faction

jdd2007 · August 5, 2002, 22:45

a party dominated by greed. wouldnt you rather be part of something a little more ... cool ... like the hawks?

Method · August 5, 2002, 22:51

which is a party centered around war. exactly what mr pres doesn't want.

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War is an inconvenience as it diverts resources from the economy

Mr. President · August 5, 2002, 23:45

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Originally posted by Juliennew
Dear Mr President, your party and the P4 share a very similar view of our new society. I hope we can cooperate on the long term.

I hope so too.

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a party dominated by greed. wouldnt you rather be part of something a little more ... cool ... like the hawks?

Greed is cool.

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(Mat 25:34-40) Then the King shall say to those on His right hand, Come, blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry, and you gave me food; I was thirsty, and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger, and you took Me in; I was naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me. Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, Lord, when did we see You hungry, and fed You? Or thirsty, and gave You drink? When did we see You a stranger, and took You in? Or naked, and clothed You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and came to You? And the King shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you have done it to Me.

Well, it's hard to argue with that. But I stand by my party's philosophy.

Wojit · August 6, 2002, 01:59

Aaaah yes. Energy makes the world go round. Quite literally.
I think this party is a capital idea, and would love to join.
Let's watch those Spartans try and win a war with sticks and rocks!

Mr. President · August 6, 2002, 02:57

Sweeet! I've edited the earlier post to include a party roster. Welcome aboard, Wojit.

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Let's watch those Spartans try and win a war with sticks and rocks!

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Sprayber · August 6, 2002, 03:38

Mr. President: You should consider transfering your ideas to my organization. The IOC (independents of chiron) seek to combine the power of like minded indviduals who may happen to disagree on small issues into something meaningful. The IOC welcomes any opportunity to expand the power of the faction. Your party seems to attract bright individuals. Just think of the power if you were allied with other similar parties.

Greed has a place waiting in the IOC.

Maniac · August 6, 2002, 08:13

Mr. President, from the mid-game on P4 is also in favour of free market. In the initial expansion phase however we stand for Planned. What is your view on that matter? FM no matter what or a more moderate approach?

DeathByTheSword · August 6, 2002, 14:46

I must say that the Capital Party is very single minded. but I hope p4 and the party (because of similiar intrests) can help eachother

Pandemoniak · August 6, 2002, 17:20

Any ally of these fat capitalist pigs is the ennemy of the CCCP.

Pandemoniak,
AD 2099,
in Why we must revenge of these pigs

Method · August 6, 2002, 17:23

booooo!

Anodyne · August 6, 2002, 17:26

As Free Market is one of the footholds of Democracy, LSD can share a similar view with you, apart that we also have Green interests.
Your anti-war appenions are also a pleasure to be read.

DeathByTheSword · August 6, 2002, 17:28

but how does the LSD CCCP and the Capital Party deal with atrocities? (apeal or not)

Anodyne · August 6, 2002, 17:37

Basically, LSD is against all atrocities, was the UN chapter repealed or not (and we will do anything it needs to make sure that the chapter will never be repealed).

But should we come across a situation that we have to start pondering our values, we will do it wisely and with a good thought.

Pandemoniak · August 6, 2002, 17:53

The CCCP values happiness and tends to Eudaimonia. Therefore, we think atrocities are atrocities, and... well, you know what the Party means, dont you pigs ?

Wojit · August 6, 2002, 18:21

Considering the crippling economic sanctions caused by atrocities, and the potential damage to business relations, I except Mr. President would agree with me when I assume that The Capital Party would be strongly against our faction commiting any atrocities, and considering our possible vunribilities if the charter is overturned, I feel we'd be against that too.

Mr. President · August 6, 2002, 18:22

Atrocities are distasteful to me in general. Edit: And Wojit speaks for the party line in saying that they would increase the colony's vulnerability.

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Mr. President, from the mid-game on P4 is also in favour of free market. In the initial expansion phase however we stand for Planned. What is your view on that matter? FM no matter what or a more moderate approach?

Surprisingly, I find that improper use of the Free Market leads to economic ruination. For that reason, I am willing to accept a period of Planned economics in the early years of our colony, but will push for a switch to Free Market as soon as it is feasible.

Juliennew · August 6, 2002, 18:27

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I am willing to accept a period of Planned economics in the early years of our colony, but will push for a switch to Free Market as soon as it is feasible.

Dear Mr President, I'm glad to tell you that the P4 concur to this policy.

Anodyne · August 6, 2002, 18:30

...as does LSD (although with the aforementioned Green aspects)

Maniac · August 6, 2002, 18:43

What about a grand CP-LSD-P4 front???

Mr. President · August 6, 2002, 18:46

Sounds interesting but I can't reply for certain right now. I need to think about some electoral issues first.

Method · August 6, 2002, 18:53

what's your policy on future societies and values?

Mr. President · August 6, 2002, 18:59

Values: Wealth (preferable) or Knowledge.

Future Society: Cybernetic (preferable) or Eudaimonic.

I suppose this is the "Builder" party. The aim is to catapult the faction to the stars on the back of a powerful open economy and technology base.

Anodyne · August 6, 2002, 19:23

M@ni@c> Now, that isn't an impossible thought, but there are some aspects (like Green issues, for example) that I'm afraid we might not reach consensus on. But I'm on for co-operation.

Voltaire · August 6, 2002, 19:28

IMO cooperation is key, it would be possible to create a coalition government seeing as most parties right now are quite small.

Maniac · August 6, 2002, 20:00

I indeed hope for coalition. One party ruling would be very boring I think.

Method · August 6, 2002, 20:43

cooperation or merger between P4 and capital party seems quite possible if we can agree on values and future society

Archaic · August 8, 2002, 03:58

IMO, Wealth/Knowledge are quite compatable, especially in early game, where there's likely to be a significant gap between the aquisition of Knowledge after wealth. In the late game perhaps we may have a difference of opinion, but this game could quite likely be over by then.