How often does the UN convene?

Lawrence of Arabia · August 12, 2002, 20:35

In my monarch game, the egyptians just built the UN. Since I am the biggest civ, I am up for election. Does anyone know how often the UN convenes?

Tuberski · August 12, 2002, 20:44

I believe it is once every 10 or 20(not sure which) turns.

nbarclay · August 12, 2002, 21:24

Of course if the Egyptians don't expect to win (assuming you're not them), they may never hold a vote at all.

Nathan

DeepO · August 12, 2002, 21:26

Every 20 turns the game asks the one who has the UN whether he wants to have an election. If he wants it, it convenes. If he doesn't, it won't for another 20 years. I've seen the AI postponing the election too, but in general you should have the UN built to avoid losing the game diplomatically

DeepO

Aeson · August 13, 2002, 00:03

The UN convenes once it is built, and then every 11th turn thereafter.

Lawrence of Arabia · August 13, 2002, 01:00

Thanks guys. I dont think that theres anychance for me to win. Everyone is furious with me, the game leader.

DeepO · August 13, 2002, 04:56

Lawrence, in that case starting a war is not a good option, as this will most likely gang the AIs together against you, or you should try to MPP a few of them against for instance Egypt to make sure it can't enlist allies for the UN. But winning by space race should still be possible, and the surest tactic should of course be to take the city that has built the UN

Aeson, I thought it was every 20 turns, but as it has been a while since I've been in that situation, I'll gladly take your point it is every 10...

DeepO

Harovan · August 13, 2002, 05:11

Is it 10 or 11 turns, Aeson? Or better: If the UN is completed and first convenes 1750AD, will it convene again on 1770AD or 1772AD?

DeepO · August 13, 2002, 05:30

Sir Ralph, in one way of counting 1770 AD would be the 11th turn: 1750-52-54-56-58-60-62-64-66-68-70... I suspect that Aeson meant this, it's the same as the Dutch saying: "I'll see you in 15 days", meaning that if today is a Tuesday, I'll see you in 2 weeks on Tuesday.

OTOH, I could be wrong again

DeepO

Aeson · August 13, 2002, 05:34

Every 11th turn. The only reason I know is that the GOTM Diplomatic victory is by highest score, and so milking to 2050 and timing the UN to give a vote then is quite important in that competition. Otherwise I just build the UN and forget about it.

So it should convene again in '72 in your example Sir Ralph.

DeepO · August 13, 2002, 05:37

damn... not a good thread for me to participate in...

Thanks Aeson for the clarification!

DeepO

Aeson · August 13, 2002, 05:41

I've felt the same way with some threads DeepO. One about captured workers way back when... ick!

Harovan · August 13, 2002, 05:51

Quote:

Originally posted by DeepO
...it's the same as the Dutch saying: "I'll see you in 15 days", meaning that if today is a Tuesday, I'll see you in 2 weeks on Tuesday.

That must be an exclusively Dutch saying. In German, we say "I'll see you in 14 days" under the same circumstances. EDIT: But strange... we say "See you in 8 days" if we mean a week, though. /EDIT

Thanks for clarification, Aeson. I always wondered, how the master milkers (talk about Sir Pleb and you) on CFC always timed the UN so well to have a vote in 2050AD.

Aeson · August 13, 2002, 06:07

I've actually screwed it up most of the time I try to time it right. I was off by 3 turns in GOTM02, 1 turn in my Zulu/HOF game... I can't add/subtract 11's.

I do suspect that Firaxis meant to have it every 10th turn, unless someone was just being mean! One of those off by zero errors that happen in programming so much.

DeepO · August 13, 2002, 07:12

Quote:

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
That must be an exclusively Dutch saying. In German, we say "I'll see you in 14 days" under the same circumstances. EDIT: But strange... we say "See you in 8 days" if we mean a week, though. /EDIT

At least the French have something similar, and I think the Dutch saying comes from there: In French une quizaine (litteraly 15 days) means a fortnight. Plus, some Dutch dialects use the 8 days saying as well

Quote:

Originally posted by Aeson
I do suspect that Firaxis meant to have it every 10th turn, unless someone was just being mean! One of those off by zero errors that happen in programming so much.

It would be logical to have it every 10 turns, so either somebody miscalculated, or they are mean... again

DeepO

Lawrence of Arabia · August 13, 2002, 16:20

In french, "On se voit en quinze jour (literally We will see each other in 15 days) means we will ee each other in 2 weeks

Jaybe · August 13, 2002, 18:22

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Originally posted by Aeson
... One of those off by zero errors that happen in programming so much.

( Off By One Bug (OBOB) )

Aeson · August 13, 2002, 19:13

Aye, that Jaybe.

DeepO · August 13, 2002, 20:36

Quote:

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia In french, "On se voit en quinze jour . . .

I'm bad in French, even if it should be my second language, but that sould be "quinze jours"

Don't forget that French is the second language you learn in school in Flanders, English is just a third (German or Spanish the fourth). I'm very positive that 'quizaine' is more used then the 'quinze jours', at least in the French speaking part of Belgium it is.

And please don't mock the OBOB, programming language providers just want to have these mistakes, there is not one language out there that is purely 1-based, or 0-based. Or at least I don't know one (but again, this is not my thread, I could be corrected in 15 minutes time

)

DeepO

Lawrence of Arabia · August 13, 2002, 20:56

Right, I forgot the s after jour. DOH typo.

Bambul · August 14, 2002, 03:23

I could just imagine the general assembly of the UN engaged in a heated argument about the timing issues over how long 10 years really is.

I wonder how long it would take before the security council would veto it?

DeepO · August 14, 2002, 09:04

Sorry, Lawrence, it was not my intention to start nit picking. If somebody is terrible with typos, it is me.
I came from a concert last night, so I can't be held repsonsible for all my actions

But still, I think that quinzaine is more used then quinze jours...

DeepO

Lawrence of Arabia · August 14, 2002, 16:02

Hey dont worry about it. I just finished my game and won by spaceship. It was really close. I was behind in techs, so I started a world war between the two tech giants, Egypte and Iroquois. Everyone joined in, and that slowed down the tech rate of everyone. Then I saw that Egypte had the Laser, so I made peace, and stole it from them and built the planetary lounge in one turn. Then when I knew I was going to win, I sold the tech to everyone else and I got miniturization and stealth. Final score was a little more than 3800.

Mellian · August 15, 2002, 01:56

Quote:

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
In french, "On se voit en quinze jour (literally We will see each other in 15 days) means we will ee each other in 2 weeks

France French anyway.... in Quebec French, it is... "je vais te voir en deux semaine" simple that way :P

-Mellian

Lawrence of Arabia · August 15, 2002, 17:22

french candian is a funny language. Its french, but its pronounced differently. I had a friend who was canadian and when he started talking fast and using slang, I didnt know what he was saying.