More on Sid's next game - Pirates/Masters of Magic

Apocalypse · August 13, 2002, 11:31

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Does anyone here like Pirates!? Does anyone here like Masters of Magic?

That is what Sid said a Gencon. It looks like that is what they will use the NetImmerse engine for. He also said that an official announcement is over a month away. This means we should know by October.

Just because me mentioned Pirates and MoM doesn't mean it won't contain elements of X-COM and Settlers like originally planned.

Skanky Burns · August 13, 2002, 18:22

Hmmm, well only a month to go to find out!

MarkG · August 13, 2002, 19:13

when did he say that?

Andemagne · August 13, 2002, 19:33

MOM2

tniem · August 13, 2002, 19:47

What was the story behind MoM? Any chance his new game could be some combination of MoM gameplay and Pirates game play? That would seem to me why he would mention both.

Apocalypse · August 13, 2002, 21:06

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Originally posted by MarkG
when did he say that?

Saturday, IIRC.

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Originally posted by tniem
Any chance his new game could be some combination of MoM gameplay and Pirates game play? That would seem to me why he would mention both.

I think that is the idea. It will be a Pirates/MoM type game possibly based on a X-COM/Settlers hybrid.

Urban Ranger · August 14, 2002, 00:01

I don't like MoM. Too complicated, inelegant. Pirates! is interesting, I don't see how it can be combined with XCOM, or MoM for that matter.

If you meant by adding small scale tactical combat with RPG elements to an empire building game in a fantasy setting, it can go both ways. They can't possibly have the player to resolve all combats on a tactical scale because that will be way too many combats. One stratgic turn will last for several months in real time.

MarkG · August 14, 2002, 03:10

and where did you read about this?

Robert Plomp · August 14, 2002, 03:28

Any change it will be civ4?
I don't really care about anything else anyway.

aaglo · August 14, 2002, 04:39

MOM2

FrustratedPoet · August 14, 2002, 04:45

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Originally posted by MarkG
and where did you read about this?

There's been a news item posted on the front page of CivFanatics about this for a couple of days.

What do you mean you never go there?

Solver · August 14, 2002, 05:50

Apoc has got infiltrators in Firaxis HQ, and that clearly shows...

Rasbelin · August 14, 2002, 06:29

Only someone who has been in the outback for 10 years would wait for MOM2. A true gamer would only wait for Stella Polaris.

And after this compulsory propaganda...

Civ IV is what I wait for, if there's one to come, as that's not for sure. But there will be one, then there's about 5 more years to go for a new Civ sequel.

Ecthy · August 14, 2002, 08:56

@mom2

Ari Rahikkala · August 14, 2002, 09:18

MoM 2

moomin · August 14, 2002, 11:50

MOM2! Yay!

Apocalypse · August 14, 2002, 17:45

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Originally posted by MarkG
and where did you read about this?

Got an e-mail from a guy I knew from my ACN days who wanted to join my effort to uncover Sid's next game. Apolyton is the only gaming site I have been going to for the past few days. I've been very busy and can't split my time between many sites.

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Originally posted by Solver
Apoc has got infiltrators in Firaxis HQ, and that clearly shows...

I told you, not any more. If anyone has infiltrators it is Markos. He is the only one of us who mentioned Pirates!

Tuberski · August 14, 2002, 19:23

MOM2!

Immortal Wombat · August 14, 2002, 19:46

MOM2

Ecthy · August 14, 2002, 20:08

IW

tniem · August 14, 2002, 20:22

So can someone explain what MoM is all about?

TIA.

MarkG · August 14, 2002, 20:33

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Does anyone here like Pirates!? Does anyone here like Masters of Magic?

apparently sid reads the chat logs

Apocalypse · August 14, 2002, 20:45

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Originally posted by MarkG

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Does anyone here like Pirates!? Does anyone here like Masters of Magic?

apparently sid reads the chat logs

Of course he does.

Also, I mentioned you in a thread I created in the OT forum.

Kindbud · August 15, 2002, 00:20

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Originally posted by tniem
So can someone explain what MoM is all about?

TIA.

tniem,

MoM is shorthand for a game called Master of Magic, published by Microprose (now folded into Infogrames) in 1995. MoM is one of the classic turn-based strategy games of all time according to many (and myself included) where your ultimate goal is to dominate 2 game planes through mystical armies and magical spells. I could spend hours trying to better explain it all but can you ever do a game justice with words alone? Check out the following link for a more complete picture. Remember that 1993 graphics were nothing like what is being done now but get past that! The playability of MoM is simply outstanding. Sadly, though I own the game and was able to play it without sound in Windows 98, my Win XP rig simply refuses to run it no matter what I try... And you know what, as much as I would LOVE an update to the game with better graphics and bells and whitsles and all that, I would be THRILLED to just be able to play the original on a modern machine.

http://www.classicgaming.com/mom/index.html

Definately worth checking out! I wouldn't be suprised if you could still find copies around for sale and I know you can get it off the net if you look hard enough. Some people claim it is abandon-ware though I'm sure Sid and Infogrames would disagree so grab the demo if you want to check it out (that's out there as well).

BTW, if anyone reading this has Sid Meirer's email address I would love to send him a quick note of encouragement to pursue a new MoM project. I searched both Infogrames and Firaxis for one but found nothing specific. There is also talk of him updating Pirates. That was another classic game and I certainly wouldn't mind if he took that route either but Master of Magic is one of the greats and I really really hope I someday see another playable version of this great game.

Kindbud · August 15, 2002, 01:17

tniem,

Um, nevermind...

I clearly wasn't playing enough attention to the context of you message (and the fact that you clearly knew all about MoM from earlier in the thread) and decided to throw in a note about MoM.

Anyway, maybe the link will turn someone else onto MoM. That's got to be a good thing...

Moonsinger · August 15, 2002, 09:11

I like to see MoM2 too. However, I thought I heard a little bird said that Quick Silver (the maker of Master of Orion III) will take over the MoM2 project.

Spaced Cowboy · August 15, 2002, 09:53

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Originally posted by Moonsinger
I like to see MoM2 too. However, I thought I heard a little bird said that Quick Silver (the maker of Master of Orion III) will take over the MoM2 project.

Cool, that means Q4 03....uh I mean Q2 04....err, no...how bout Q1 05............

tniem · August 15, 2002, 10:29

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Kindbud
tniem,

Um, nevermind...

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No, no, thank you for your information. I was being serious. I know about MoM in the sense that it is TBS and assumed a fantasy setting by title. But I know nothing of the game other than people (mainly Apocalypse) have rumored that it is somehow involved with Sid's next game and that while Emerich was still at QS he wanted to make the sequel to it after MOO3. So I would like to know more about. Thanks for your info and would welcome more about the story in the future.

Kindbud · August 15, 2002, 16:25

tniem,

First, glad my post may have helped you discover a great classic game!

How wierd things are some times. I was reading another thread about the decline in quality of today's strategy guides here on Apolyton (I searched and searched for the thread but couldn't find it). One of the guides mentioned was by Alan Emerich (apparently very well know around these parts but that was news to me as well). The following link takes you to Alan's web page where you can read his thoughts on why strategy guides aren't what they used to be.

http://hometown.aol.com/aemrich111/a...11/decline.htm) and

All this trips me out a little because until just a few days ago I had never heard of Alan Emerich. But I own one of his books (co-authored) - the Master of Magic strat guide. It is sitting on my shelf in clear sight just 2 feet away. It is the best guide I have read and one of the very few I own.

So in the course of the last couple of days I have rediscovered the ground-swell support for an update to the great game Master of Magic, learned that my favorite strat guide was co-authored by a highly respected man in his field and that this fellow is now working on MOO3, another highly anticipated update to a classic family of games.

The obvious lesson for me has been to stop spending all my time scanning just the Civ III Strategy forum and poke around some of the other Apolyton forums. The bigger revelation has been that Aployton is truly a great community people and a much better source of information for my favorite types of games that I ever thought.

I hope this post doesn't seem to self-serving a rant but I a rabid MoM fan. I knew there were a lot of people out there hoping for an update I just never expected to find so many in one place. More importantly it seems as if there are rumblings that an update may be more likely now then ever before (see link below).

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=58791

Anyway, I hope you check out some of the MoM resources on the web and who know, you might join the ranks of us who really want to see an update!

Capt Dizle · August 15, 2002, 17:25

I don't want to burst your bubble but Alan got fired from MOO3 because the bosses over there thought he totally botched the game. They are trying to fix it now.

Those are the rumors anywho.