August 15, 2002, 03:08
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Why William is Bill and Richard is **** ?
I am not an American. And I can never understand why :
William is often called Bill.
Richard is called ****.
Robert is called Bob.
Can anyone explain this ? Are there other examples around ? 
Edited my post to include other examples listed by everybody :
James = Jim
John = Jack (???)
Katherine = Kate
Henry = Harry/Hank
Harold = Hal
Charles = Chuck/Charlie
Anthony/Antonio = Tony/Toño
Elizabeth = Liz/Lisa
Margerie = Midge
Margaret = Peggy (???)
Alexander = Sasha (???)
Philippe = Pippa
Jose = Chepe/Pepe (???)
Xavier = Japos (???)
Francisco =Paco (???)
Ernesto = nestor (???)
Fidel = fide
(???) = it's so different, I wonder why.
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August 15, 2002, 03:18
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Just tradition I guess.
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August 15, 2002, 03:19
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Oh, yeah. James is called Jim.
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August 15, 2002, 03:53
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John is called Jack.
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August 15, 2002, 03:55
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Originally posted by Oerdin
Oh, yeah. James is called Jim.
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John is called Jack.
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****, these were the fist two that popped into my mind when i read the thread title and it looks like I was beat to them.  I think that bout covers it. As to why this is, I dunno. A good question indeed.
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August 15, 2002, 03:57
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Harold is called Hal
Henry is called Harry or Hank
Katherine is called Kate
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I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
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August 15, 2002, 04:04
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Blame the Brits. This goes back at least 500 years.
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I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
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August 15, 2002, 06:01
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Especially "Harry" and "Kate".
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August 15, 2002, 07:27
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Hank 
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August 15, 2002, 07:28
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It's fortunate that it is Americans that get nicknamed that, and not Cockneys.
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August 15, 2002, 07:33
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Originally posted by Boddington's
It's fortunate that it is Americans that get nicknamed that, and not Cockneys.
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August 15, 2002, 07:37
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Robert is called Bob.
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I would never listen if anybody would name me 'Bob'.
I can't even find the connection between Robert and Bob.
Catherine and kate makes sence to me,
but Robert and Bob.
just call me Robert. Or CyberShy
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August 15, 2002, 07:38
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OK Bob 
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August 15, 2002, 07:38
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Kate is short for Bob
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August 15, 2002, 07:59
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Originally posted by DanS
John is called Jack.
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The French version of John is Jaque. Yielding Jack in English after the Normans finally learned the language three generations after the conquest.
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August 15, 2002, 08:11
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Just another peon
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Charles = Chuck, or Chas
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August 15, 2002, 08:12
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..or Charlie
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August 15, 2002, 08:13
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Originally posted by Ethelred
The French version of John is Jaque. Yielding Jack in English after the Normans finally learned the language three generations after the conquest.
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That's Jacques.
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August 15, 2002, 08:17
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Hey it was the Normans that learned to spell. I am Irish-German-American and I had the good sense to take Spanish and not French.
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August 15, 2002, 08:18
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I am a Quebecois and didn't have a choice...
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August 15, 2002, 10:28
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Actually, Jack and Jacques are unrelated names that coincidentally sound the same. Jacques is, IIRC, the French version of James; the French version of John is Jean.
Jack came from Jonkin, a Germanic diminuative of the name John. Again, IIRC. 
(Edited for lousy spelling)
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August 15, 2002, 10:34
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I think it was developed to save disc space on computers in the 70's. 
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August 15, 2002, 10:34
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Anthony is called Tony
Elizabeth is called Liz or Lisa
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I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
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August 15, 2002, 10:39
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Doesn't Tony come from Antonio?
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August 15, 2002, 10:41
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Same name, different origins. I know more Anthonys than Antonios still.
Oddly, I haven't heard any Antonios referred to as Tony. 
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I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
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August 15, 2002, 12:01
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then there's Margerie -> Midge
two of the most horrifically bad names around
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August 15, 2002, 14:07
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Same name, different origins. I know more Anthonys than Antonios still.
Oddly, I haven't heard any Antonios referred to as Tony.
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That's 'cause you don't live in Spain. But we would rather spell it Toni than Tony, I think.
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August 15, 2002, 14:13
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I have a cousin called Margerie, and we've never called her Midge……… We'll call her Margie though.
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August 15, 2002, 16:13
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The french version of "John" is "Jean". This is related to, like, Sean and Shane and stuff, but not to Jack.
Do any nicknames actually lengthen the name? In sweden, "Bo" often becomes "Bosse"...
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August 15, 2002, 16:48
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Robert = Bobert = Bob.
...yes, I know one person that goes by 'Bobert'...
My logic-defying favorite?
Margaret = Peggy
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