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View Poll Results: What are you political views
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Far left (communist)
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Hard left (socialist)
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11.32% |
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Medium left (socialdemocratic)
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17.92% |
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Slight left (socialliberal)
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11.32% |
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Center
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Slight right (liberal)
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10.38% |
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Medium right (christian democratic)
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9.43% |
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Hard right (conservative)
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12.26% |
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Far right (fascist)
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6.60% |
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August 26, 2002, 08:44
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King
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Local Date: November 1, 2010
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Originally posted by alofatti
You speak with such an authority.Too bad that your presumed "god", the IMF, disagrees with you...
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The IMF doesn't. It approved of limited devaluations in Spain during the mid 90s (which led to a return of economic growth), Brazil and Turkey.
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and to think that we have already pay them $ 200 billion dollars.
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No way! Your country hasn't paid diddly squat when it comes to loan. You defaulted on the entire external debt.
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Thats all we did during the 90's!
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NO YOU DIDN'T! THAT ISN'T CAPITALISM, rather Russian styled cronism.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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August 26, 2002, 09:06
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Warlord
Local Time: 08:41
Local Date: November 1, 2010
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I am +4 authoritarian and +3 right, not +3 authoritarian and +4 right as it is now.
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August 26, 2002, 10:45
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King
Local Time: 06:41
Local Date: November 1, 2010
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Location: Uni of Wales Swansea
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All duly ammended.
Sonic, now you're worryingly close to Speer... 
Last edited by red_jon; August 26, 2002 at 11:37.
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August 26, 2002, 11:24
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Emperor
Local Time: 07:41
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 8,515
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Here you are Jon.
Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -0.41
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August 26, 2002, 11:38
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King
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I've added you. Push refresh to see the updated picture above.
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August 26, 2002, 11:56
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Emperor
Local Time: 15:41
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w00t still holding the line at second most libertarian
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Stop Quoting Ben
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August 26, 2002, 12:10
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King
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I think I am going to stay in the lead for the most economic right.... you know I thought I would become a lot less right-wing radical... turns out it was only by a small bit....
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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August 26, 2002, 12:55
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Emperor
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Economic Left/Right: 4.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -1.18
What I find interesting is the fact that Fez and I should try talking econ rather than other things... he and I would probably finally find something we could agree on. 
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I'm not conceited, conceit is a fault and I have no faults...
As always, will play after work. I wonder if I'll ever be able to turn that the other way...
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August 26, 2002, 13:06
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King
Local Time: 06:41
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Rivals
Odin v Albert Speer
Kamrat X vs Fez
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August 26, 2002, 14:23
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King
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The irony... oh the irony.... 
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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August 26, 2002, 14:25
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Local Time: 07:41
Local Date: November 1, 2010
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It couldn´t have come as much of a surprise, could it?
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I love being beaten by women - Lorizael
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August 26, 2002, 14:25
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King
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Irony?
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August 26, 2002, 15:57
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Local Time: 07:41
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Yes, like goldy, or bronzy...
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I love being beaten by women - Lorizael
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August 26, 2002, 16:12
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King
Local Time: 06:41
Local Date: November 1, 2010
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And afte rgod knows hoiw many posts in this test I redid the test (did it ages ago)
Can't say i'm suprised by the results.
Economic Left/Right: -5.12
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -6.05
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August 26, 2002, 16:27
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King
Local Time: 00:41
Local Date: November 1, 2010
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Nothing to see here, move along: http://selzlab.blogspot.com
The attempt to produce Heaven on Earth often produces Hell. -Karl Popper
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August 26, 2002, 17:09
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Warlord
Local Time: 08:41
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It is very strange most unpopular corner is authoritarian/left... There were so many such politics... Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Kim il Sung, Kim young Il, Chrushchev, Brezhnev, Khadafi to name a few...
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August 26, 2002, 17:10
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Emperor
Local Time: 01:41
Local Date: November 1, 2010
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: of Fear and Oil
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Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -7.38
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"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-Bokonon
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August 26, 2002, 17:29
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King
Local Time: 03:41
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Originally posted by Kamrat X
It couldn´t have come as much of a surprise, could it?
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Considering we are like two rottweliers that will never stop attacking each other.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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August 26, 2002, 18:18
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King
Local Time: 06:41
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Spartak and Ramo added. 
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August 26, 2002, 19:11
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Local Time: 06:41
Local Date: November 1, 2010
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Good Chart!
I applaud all the hard work
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-->"Production! More Production! Production creates Wealth! Production creates more Jobs!"-Wendell Willkie -1944
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August 26, 2002, 19:13
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King
Local Time: 06:41
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Originally posted by DarkCloud
Good Chart!
I applaud all the hard work
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Thanks, but it hardly compares to the charts you do 
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August 26, 2002, 19:17
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Prince
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 WOW!
Way to go, red jon
Mad props, even though I dont think that test represented my views so well My leberalnees is represented pretty well, but I am more capitolist than i am socilaist).
Kman
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August 26, 2002, 19:22
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Prince
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I retook the test . I did have a little bias this time, but I also understood some of the questions better and answered accordingly. I tried to answer as honestly as possible to what I truley believe and not to what I want my score to be . My new score of 0.88/ -2.31 is a fair representation of myself.
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August 26, 2002, 19:25
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King
Local Time: 06:41
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Location: Poster Formerly known as Kublai-Khan. Buenos Aires - Argentina.
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Fez, excuse me but you are absolutely wrong regarding the devaluation.
When Duhalde became president he established a new "convertivilidad": 1, 40 pesos = 1 dolar.
And he said that it was going to be the new fix value of the currency.
The imf was against of it (Anne Krueger was even in favor of an hyperinflation, afterwards, according to her, the peso would find its market-imposed real value).
You are clearly wrong there, maybe the imf did approved some mini-devaluation in Spain in the past, but that was not the case of Argentina.
Duhalde wanted a new "convertivilidad" at 1,40.
Devaluating was on of the conditions of the IMF, Duhalde even had to fight hard, because the IMF wanted a totally free currency, but at the end they accepted interventions of the central bank.
What we call "flotacion sucia".
There is no way you can deny this, it was in all the newspapers, it was one of the requisites to start negotiating a new deal.
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Periodista : A proposito del escudo de la fe, Elisa, a mí me sorprendía Reutemann diciendo que estaba dispuesto a enfrentarse con el mismísimo demonio (Menem) y después terminó bajándose de la candidatura. Ahí parece que fuera ganando el demonio.
Elisa Carrio: No, porque si usted lee bien el Génesis dice que la mujer pisará la serpiente.
Last edited by Plan Austral; August 26, 2002 at 20:09.
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August 26, 2002, 19:31
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Emperor
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I sence a hidden commie in Sava.
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August 26, 2002, 19:31
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King
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Originally posted by Kublai-Khan
Fez, excuse me but you are absolutely wrong regarding the devaluation.
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No I am not.
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When Duhalde became president he established a new "convertivilidad": 1, 40 pesos = 1 dolar.
And he said that it was going to be the new fix value of the currency.
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He never even proposed such a plan!
That fool didn't even know what he was doing.
The least you can hope for now is that former economy minister Lopez Murphy wins the Presidency and not have some thug like Saa, Menem or Carrio win.
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The imf was against of it (Anne Krueger was even in favor of an hyperinflation, afterwards, according to her, the peso would found its market-imposed real value).
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It was?
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You are clearly wrong there, maybe the imf did approved some mini-devaluation in Spain in the past, but that was not the case of Argentina.
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That is bull! You and I know that Argentina should of established the devaluation in a much more coherent process rather than having it slide off the board.
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Duhalde wanted a new "convertivilidad" at 1,40.
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Not from what I know. That idiot doesn't even know what he is doing. And don't even start me about Lavagna.
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Devaluating was on of the conditions of the IMF, Duhalde even had to fight hard, because the IMF wanted a totally free currency, but at the end they accepted interventions of the central bank.
What we call "flotacion sucia".
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Wrongo. Duhalde fight? In what way? He is a weak president with little to no knowledge of what this country really needs. A capable liquidity model based on the Chilean Banking system is what this country needs. The GDP might have to be liquidated by 20% though to reach that but I see that there isn't any choice.
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There is no way you can deny this, it was in all the newspapers, it was one of the requisites to start negotiating a new deal.
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I wouldn't believe the lies in the newspaper even if the world were to end.
There will be no more deals with Argentina. Not with the Duhalde adminstration. The money will end up stolen or misused and everybody knows it.
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Lets face it. We flamiing queers have more appeal then Pat Robertson and other religious wackos. We have shows that are really growing in popularity. We have more channels (Q TV, Logo Channel). And we help people in their style issues (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy). The last thing I saw a religious preacher did was ask for $5 in a "generous pledge" to help his bank account in Zurich, erhm, some starving kids in Zimbabwe.
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August 26, 2002, 19:45
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King
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Interesting test and chart. I just took the test and got
Economic Left/Right: 3.00
Authoritarian/Libertarian: 1.08.
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August 26, 2002, 19:53
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Emperor
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red_jon, I would probably fit on that chart right above Kramerman, on the central horizontal line, on the left side.
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August 26, 2002, 20:30
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Prince
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red_jon, I would probably fit on that chart right above Kramerman, on the central horizontal line, on the left side.
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I always enjoy meeting people with similar views as myself. This would include about everyone along the mid axis from my old score (on the graph) to flameflash towards the right. Nice to meet you all, my fellows of the political golden mean. 
Kman
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August 26, 2002, 20:40
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Emperor
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Actually, now that I have completed the test, I did not score how I thought I would score.
Here are my actual scores, so you can add me to the chart with the other Apolytoners:
Economic - left/right, negative 4.00
Authoritarian/Liberty, negative 5.95
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