$Mini-Game BETA: Trade Thread - Page 6

Franses · August 23, 2002, 15:38

You had stockpiled one in the first round. That's why.

UnOrthOdOx · August 23, 2002, 15:39

I did? If they don't sell, they are automatically stockpiled?

Franses · August 23, 2002, 15:46

Only shields and commerce. Food is lost unless you have a Silo.

UnOrthOdOx · August 23, 2002, 15:48

I see...

Hm, Ghengis got a better deal than I thought, unless he really messed up and I didn't sell anything.

GhengisFarb™ · August 23, 2002, 16:11

Quote:

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
I see...

Hm, Ghengis got a better deal than I thought, unless he really messed up and I didn't sell anything.

I think I cleared $53 off of your property after the $125. I'm figuring it up now................

UnOrthOdOx · August 23, 2002, 16:12

I am looking at that though. Next turn, you would only get ~ $9...That is not fair to you...what is a fair fee?

GhengisFarb™ · August 23, 2002, 16:49

FINAL TRANSACTION LIST FOR SESSION TWO
Here's what I came up with for completed transactions:

LABOR MARKET
Total population: 14
Available labour: 14
Labor demand: 6

D:S = 6/14 = $43 (Minimum Wage)
FINAL TRANSACTIONS:
Kloreep hired 1 labor at $7 - PRICED BELOW MINIMUM WAGE
GhengisFarb hired 3 labor at $44
Franses hired 2 labor at $44

FOOD MARKET
Food demand: 28
Food supplied: 35
Food sold: 22

D:S = 28/(35+22)57 = 49%
End price = $49
FINAL TRANSACTIONS:
Spiffor sold 1 food at $44
jdd2007 sold 3 food at $40
Kramerman sold 2 food at $50 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Epistax sold 2 food at $44
Kloreep sold 2 food at $60 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Jonny sold 1 food at $50 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
GhengisFarb sold 5 food at $44
notyoueither sold 2 food at ???
Franses sold 2 food at $45
UnOrthOdOx sold 2 food at $44

SHIELD MARKET
Shields demand: 18
Shields supplied: 19
Shields sold: 8

D:S = 18/(19 + 8)27 = 67%
End price = $67
FINAL TRANSACTIONS:
Spiffor sold 1 shields at $45
Kramerman sold 2 shields at $60
Kloreep sold 2 shields at $68 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Jonny sold 3 shields at $50

COMMERCE MARKET
Commerce demand: 20
Commerce supplied: 23
Commerce sold: 20

D:S = 20/(23 + 20)43 = 47%
End price = $47
FINAL TRANSACTIONS:
Spiffor sold 1 commerce at $40
jdd2007 sold 3 commerce at $40
Kramerman sold 2 commerce at $60 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Epistax sold 2 commerce at $44
Kloreep sold 1 commerce at $63 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Jonny sold 1 commerce at $50 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
notyoueither sold 4 commerce at ???
Franses sold 1 commerce at $45
UnOrthOdOx sold 2 commerce at $45

Total Incomes
civman2001
..........Total Income for Turn =$175 (Cash=$175 Debt=$1000)

Epistax sold 2 food at $44
Epistax sold 1 commerce at $45
..........Total Income for Turn =$133 (Cash=$233 Debt=$750)

Franses hired 2 labor at $44
Franses sold 2 food at $45
Franses sold 1 commerce at $45
..........Total Income for Turn =$47 (Cash=$342 Debt=$1100)

GhengisFarb hired 3 labor at $44
GhengisFarb sold 5 food at $44
GhengisFarb paid civman2001 $175
GhengisFarb received $53 from UnOrthOdOx
..........Total Income for Turn = -$34 (Cash=$166 Debt=$1000)

jdd2007 sold 3 food at $40
jdd2007 sold 5 commerce at $45
jdd2007 paid off $250 in debt.
..........Total Income for Turn =$95 (Cash=$345 Debt=$750)

Jonny sold 1 food at $50 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Jonny sold 3 shields at $50
Jonny sold 1 commerce at $50 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
..........Total Income for Turn =$150 (Cash=$150 Debt=$1200)

Kloreep hired 1 labor at $7 - PRICED BELOW MINIMUM WAGE
Kloreep sold 2 food at $60 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Kloreep sold 2 shields at $68 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Kloreep sold 1 commerce at $63 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
..........Total Income for Turn =$0 (Cash=$298 Debt=$1400)

Kramerman sold 2 food at $50 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
Kramerman sold 2 shields at $60
Kramerman sold 2 commerce at $60 - PRICED ABOVE MARKET
..........Total Income for Turn =$120 (Cash=$120 Debt=$1500)

notyoueither sold 2 food at ???
notyoueither sold 4 commerce at ???
..........Total Income for Turn =$??? (Cash=$0 Debt=$1000)

Spiffor sold 1 food at $44
Spiffor sold 1 shields at $45
Spiffor sold 1 commerce at $40
Spiffor paid off $230 in debt.
..........Total Income for Turn = -$35 (Cash=$195 Debt=$970)

UnOrthOdOx sold 2 food at $44
UnOrthOdOx sold 2 commerce at $45
UnOrthOdOx paid off $100 in debt.
UnOrthOdOx paid off $53 to GhengisFarb.
..........Total Income for Turn =$25 (Cash=$125 Debt=$350)

Anyone notice any mistakes/corrections?

CURRENT STOCKPILES
adaMada has 2 shields and 2 commerce
GhengisFarb has 2 commerce
jdd2007 has 1 commerce
Jonny has 1 shield and 2 commerce
Kloreep has 2 shields and 1 commerce
Kramerman has 4 commerce
notyoueither has 4 commerce
Rendelnep has 2 shields and 2 commerce
Spiffor has 1 shield

TOTAL OF 8 SHIELDS AND 18 COMMERCE STOCKPILED

CONSTRUCTION STATUS
GhengisFarb has built 3 of ? on a building in a city.
Franses has built 2 of ? on a building in a city.

Epistax · August 23, 2002, 17:41

Keeping a record of ME. I'll be editing this post to keep a place for what I have.

Code:

Epistan Plantation, E.O.Turn 2.  Admin: Epistax
Holdings: 
     Tile 009, N Termina, 1/0/1
     Tile 012, NW Termina, 1/0/0
Buildings:
     N/A
Stockpile:  0 food    0 shields    0 commerce
Production: 2 food    0 shields    1 commerce
Cash: $100 + $133 = $233  Debt: -$750 (Interest @ turn 15)

civman2000 · August 23, 2002, 17:52

Quote:

Estate of GhengisFarb
Turn #: 002
Holdings:
Tile 004 Apolyton NW, Grassland
Tile 015 Termina NE3, Jungle
Tile 026 BHQ N, Mountain
Stockpile: 0 food, 0 shields, 0 commerce
Civman2000 Estate (currently renting)
Stockpile: 2 food, 1 shield, 1 commerce
Cash: $200
Debt: -$1000 (10% interest, 15 turns remaining on grace period)

Administered by: GhengisFarb

---
Production this turn: 3 food, 1 shield, 0 commerce
Civman2000 Estate (currently renting)
Production this turn: 2 food, 1 shield, 1 commerce
---
Proposed Deals:

Sell 5(of 5) food @ $44 each (New D:S = 26/48 = $58)
Sell 2(of 2) commerce @ $46 (New D:S = 20/39 = $51)
Hire 3 labor for Apolyton at $29 each (New D:S = 4/14 = $29)

Ghengis: Does your current cash value include your rent of 175 paid to me? If not, please change it. Also, please do not capitalize the c in my name.

I am using my $175 to pey back part of my loan.

civman's Land-sharing Services:
Turn #: 003
Holdings:
..Property:
....Tile 008 Apolyton NE1 grass mined roaded:
......Produces: 2 food, 1 shields, 1 commerce
......Stockpile: 0 food, 2 shields, 2 commerce
......Property owned by: civman2000
......Administered by: GhengisFarb
......Commodities produced owned by: GhengisFarb (pays $175 rent)
..Money:
....Cash: $0
....Debt:
......Loan 1 (govt): -$825 (10% interest, 13 turns remaining in grace period)

PS: Sorry about my PM box being full. It's actually empty but just acting strange

Franses · August 23, 2002, 18:06

GF, not that it is that important but my 2 food were sold at $45, not $44.

GhengisFarb™ · August 23, 2002, 18:22

Quote:

Originally posted by civman2000

PS: Sorry about my PM box being full. It's actually empty but just acting strange

For your PM box to be empty you have to delete all the PMs in your:
Inbox
Sent Messages Folder
Message Tracking Folder

When you send a PM it creates two PMs in your account, one in your Sent Messages and one in your Message Tracking.

Quote:

Originally posted by Franses
GF, not that it is that important but my 2 food were sold at $45, not $44.

Thanks, fixed it.

jdd2007 · August 23, 2002, 19:21

i sold 5 commerce

edit: i also changed my prices to $45 before the transactions were made...

UnOrthOdOx · August 23, 2002, 21:38

Ghengis, you messed up my debt up there somehow. I had 450, I paid 100, I now have 350.

And I am fairly sure PM tracking does not count toward your box, just sent items and any other folders

Epistax · August 23, 2002, 21:43

Quote:

Epistax sold 2 food at $44
Epistax sold 2 commerce at $44
..........Total Income for Turn =$133 (Cash=$233 Debt=$750)

LOL

$44 * 4 = 133 now huh? hehe dun worry.
2 food @ 44, 1 commerce @ 45

Sheik · August 23, 2002, 22:37

GhengisFarb I will pay you $15 a turn to deal with my holdings.

GhengisFarb™ · August 24, 2002, 00:03

Quote:

Originally posted by jdd2007
i sold 5 commerce

edit: i also changed my prices to $45 before the transactions were made...

Gotcha, thanks.

Quote:

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
Ghengis, you messed up my debt up there somehow. I had 450, I paid 100, I now have 350.

Fixed it.

Quote:

Originally posted by Epistax

LOL

$44 * 4 = 133 now huh? hehe dun worry.
2 food @ 44, 1 commerce @ 45

At least the money earned was correct.

Sorry about the mistakes, today's my wife's birthday and people keep calling, and she kept asking me questions.........

I must have got interrrupted over 20 times while I was typing that post and I couldn't always remember where I had been updating last.

If you don't want me to be Banker I'll understand.

Quote:

Originally posted by Sheik
GhengisFarb I will pay you $15 a turn to deal with my holdings.

For how long?

Epistax · August 24, 2002, 00:10

No problem. I don't think you should have to list all that information, however. Maybe simply the orders that do not go through to due costs. Things in our benefit, we should look after.

Unless of course you are being hired by someone.

But that would simplify things. It would allow a bigger chance for cheaters, however.

GhengisFarb™ · August 24, 2002, 00:21

Quote:

Originally posted by Epistax
No problem. I don't think you should have to list all that information, however. Maybe simply the orders that do not go through to due costs. Things in our benefit, we should look after.

Unless of course you are being hired by someone.

But that would simplify things. It would allow a bigger chance for cheaters, however.

I posted it this time because with people making debt payments it kinda through off the final income for the turn. This way people could see where the final income amount came from.

I don't plan on posting it everytime, but I plan on keeping track in case a discrepency or court case comes up.

The first session was so much easier because it didn't have all of the debate in it. Really hope we can keep that in the other thread next time.

notyoueither · August 24, 2002, 00:48

So how much did I get?

Kramerman · August 24, 2002, 00:48

damn it!
IMPORTANT QUESTION:
Is there any way we can slow down the turns? Pleeeeeeease
I am really busy with school, work, and extra curricular activities right now and have not had but more than one chance a night (local) to check the forum. Now I dont want the whole game to be held up on my account, I was just wondering if they could be made alittle longer. I mean, how long was that last turn? I thought it was said they were gonna be 2 days long, about, unless this was changed without me seeing or my perception of time has been warped by my insane schedual. Would this be a possible change?
Thanks,

Kman

Kramerman · August 24, 2002, 00:51

btw, what is the status of government land rentals? I didnt catch any posts about this since i last posted 3 pages ago... Any assistance on this matter would be most appreciated.

Kman

GhengisFarb™ · August 24, 2002, 01:23

Quote:

Originally posted by notyoueither
So how much did I get?

??????

That wasn't a question, that's how much you got. I didn't have a price that you were trying to sell at.

Kramerman-
Word is the next session is tomorrow and will last 48 hours. There's now a $Mini-Game Directory thread to help locate active trading sessions.

Land Rentals are currently off. I don't think he understood what was intended with those lands and the ramifications of leasing them, namely that by leasing them it would increase the amount of excess product we were generating and lower the prices everyone was getting paid.

We need to come up with new commodity markets before we start producing on all the tiles.

Ideas:
BAKERY- converts Food to Bread, demand is half of food demand.

Need something to convert Commerce into......

notyoueither · August 24, 2002, 01:27

The market price?

Kramerman · August 24, 2002, 01:27

Quote:

Kramerman-
Word is the next session is tomorrow and will last 48 hours. There's now a $Mini-Game Directory thread to help locate active trading sessions.

ahh, excellent. Thank you for the info.

GhengisFarb™ · August 24, 2002, 01:40

Quote:

Originally posted by notyoueither
The market price?

You have to decide what price you want to sell your product at, that's the game part.

If you set the price too high, you don't sell anything. Set it too low and you don't make very much profit.

Example: You have two food. The starting demand:supply is
demand = 28 (amount of food market demands)
supply = 35 (amount currently available before nobles sell)
OR D:S = 28/35
28 divided by 35 is .80 or 80% we use that for the $ amount so the market will buy food if we offer it at a lower price that $80. Otherwise they'll buy it from the existing supply.

If you sell 2 food then D:S = 28/37 (the original supply of 35 + the 2 you just added to the supply)
The price now drops to $75. As more people sell more food into the market the price drops lower. You have to guess how much everyone's going to sell and set your price below the ending price or nobody buys your product.

Does that make any sense?

GhengisFarb™ · August 24, 2002, 01:41

Quote:

Originally posted by Sheik
GhengisFarb I will pay you $15 a turn to deal with my holdings.

Okay, for how long?

notyoueither · August 24, 2002, 02:34

Quote:

Originally posted by GhengisFarb Does that make any sense?

Yes. So what do you do with an order like I gave?

I specified lot's o cash and even more cash.

No sale?

Franses · August 24, 2002, 03:38

GF,

I think a mistake has been made in my total income in the first round. I sold 3 commodities at $65 and one at $50 for a total income of $245 (instead of the $295 you posted). Turn 2 resulted indeed in a total income of $47 resulting in total cash of $292 instead of the $342 posted.

A similar mistake has been made regarding Kloreep in turn 1. $298 should be $248

Where did jdd get his first $250 from? His income in turn 1 was 0 according to your overview after turn 1. Did I miss something?

You did not add the $53 paid by UnOrthOdox to your own account.

I see that you have a negative cash now. Does this mean that it is possible to lend more money? Do we have to pay interest over a negative amount?

Franses · August 24, 2002, 03:50

Quote:

Originally posted by notyoueither

Yes. So what do you do with an order like I gave?

I specified lot's o cash and even more cash.

No sale?

My suggestion is to have the food sold at $40 (same price as jdd) and the commerce stockpiled. This only because the food is wasted and we all have to learn how to do this correctly. Next time an order like that by NYE will be regarded unvalid. Is this a fair proposal?

civman2000 · August 24, 2002, 08:53

GF: I know. Until I pmed MarkG yesterday about the problem, all three were empty, and now there are just two things there.