Could we have the Iroquois league flag available for our profile?

Ribannah · August 22, 2002, 17:05

It is sorely missing!

http://users.aol.com/Donh523/navapage/iroquois.htm

Galvatron · August 22, 2002, 17:09

Hmm as far as I know this nation doesn't exists anymore

so no-one can come from there, or?

Skanky Burns · August 22, 2002, 20:37

Galv, see the person who posted above yours... well...

Wittlich · August 22, 2002, 22:34

Well, I am part Wyandot. Wyandot are apart of the Iroquoian people... So I, for one, whould use the flag.

Skanky Burns · August 22, 2002, 22:38

Ribannah is also Iroquoian.

Thrawn05 · August 22, 2002, 23:09

Give me a flag that an eagle with the letters SPQR under it and I'll consider changing my flag.

Nubclear · August 22, 2002, 23:24

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Originally posted by Galvatron
Hmm as far as I know this nation doesn't exists anymore

so no-one can come from there, or?

Neither does the UN

Or does it?

Rasbelin · August 23, 2002, 00:15

No red flag = no Iroquois flag.

Galvatron · August 23, 2002, 04:02

Hmm if the iroquois gets their flag I would like to have the Flag of the French Empire with the lily in it this is my favourite one.

Vive La France.
Vive Le Bourbon.

Robert Plomp · August 23, 2002, 04:33

there are hundreds of flags to chose, and people STILL want a flag that's not in the list

When will people finally stop complaining?

Markos, it's great, keep it this way, and make the "Create a poll" system exactly the way it is on my board. It's really much better! Try it!

oops, did I just complain

Ribannah · August 23, 2002, 05:49

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there are hundreds of flags to chose, and people STILL want a flag that's not in the list

When will people finally stop complaining?

As soon as everyone gets to choose their own flag!

The Iroquois league is still very much alive today, with their own government, within the borders of Canada and the USA.

Skanky Burns · August 23, 2002, 06:15

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Originally posted by CyberShy
there are hundreds of flags to chose

Yes, you are right, 279 flags.
But I would like to see some more.

Galvatron · August 23, 2002, 07:02

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Originally posted by Ribannah

As soon as everyone gets to choose their own flag!

The Iroquois league is still very much alive today, with their own government, within the borders of Canada and the USA.

Oh I didn't know thought they are more or less assimilated into the US. Hmm interesting: is their government officially acknowledged by the US and Canada? Are there existing any treaties?

MarkG · August 23, 2002, 07:08

so you expect me(in the case that i agreed) to make a flag icon out of that photo?

Ribannah · August 23, 2002, 07:36

MarkG, I'm sure you can work miracles.

But I'll see if I can find an easier source.

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Oh I didn't know thought they are more or less assimilated into the US. Hmm interesting: is their government officially acknowledged by the US and Canada? Are there existing any treaties?

Yes, it is officially acknowledged and has always been so.
The US and Canada have only limited jurisdiction over the Iroquois, even if crimes are involved (if they occur on Iroquois territory).

Edit: this one looks very cool

H Tower · August 23, 2002, 16:15

of course, Markos is going to make just one animated flag for one person

next we'll have the pals and israelis screaming foul and then everyone from Tonga and afghanistan will demand animated flags. Imagine what that would do to the server

H Tower · August 23, 2002, 16:23

here's an iroquis flag that is small enough to be used.

(i was bored, so i went and helped out markos

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Ribannah · August 23, 2002, 17:16

Thanks for the help, it needs some perfecting though .... but almost there!

DarkCloud · August 23, 2002, 18:01

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The Iroquois league is still very much alive today, with their own government, within the borders of Canada and the USA.

Thats BS. The Iroquois are part of AMERICA. They are AMERICANS, not AMERINDS, What do you think they are SEPRATIST REBELS!

If you get a Iroquois Flag, I want the SPQR roman flag mentioned earlier or a Nazi Flag. :bleh: They are JUST as DESERVING if a DEAD nation gets a flag.

yes, let's have flags for "countries" that aren't really countries.

FAQ (because I know you'll ask these questions)

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Neither does the UN Or does it?

It is a conglomerate of nations.
Thus, flags such as NATO should also be acceptable.

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What about Palestine?

Doesn't deserve a flag... Yet... Perhaps when it manages to coexist with israel or take it over.

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It tis' disgusting to have flags for nonexistant nations unless you have EQUALITY among flags. And that really is a lot of work to expect from moderators.

Equality among flags-

Give us an Anarchist Flag, the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Ancient Rome, etc.

DarkCloud · August 23, 2002, 18:05

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The US and Canada have only limited jurisdiction over the Iroquois, even if crimes are involved (if they occur on Iroquois territory).

But they have JURISDICTION.

The fact that they get to "govern themselves LIMITEDLY" doesn't mean that they are a separate nation.

If anyone can step in LEGALLY by that other nations full constitution, then how does that make them a nation.

(Note: This statement includes Afghanistan [currently] and Cuba [after the Span-American war] where the US could and can step in and do what they want... but mroe notably The Phillipines [after span-amer war]

They weren't independent nations. They were protectorates... much like colonies.

At BEST the Iroquois league is being treated like a Colony.

(Personally however, i think they should have No govt. but that is irrelevant to this discussion)

Rasbelin · August 23, 2002, 18:35

Anyway, if the Iroquois get their flag, I demand the red flag. I assume at least KX and Tass would also use it.

Give us the red flag!

Rasbelin · August 23, 2002, 18:37

And the missing flag...

tniem · August 23, 2002, 19:31

Why is everyone adding fuel to the fire? It seems from Markos post that he wasn't going to add it unless she gave him a flag to use and stated why it was necessary. The first is sort of done, while the second has not been demonstrated and never will be.

Close this fight over nothing.

Skanky Burns · August 23, 2002, 23:06

DarkCloud: Why is there an Aboriginal flag then?

Chris 62 · August 24, 2002, 00:49

How about a pine tree flag Mark?

Or maybe the "Don't tread on me" snake flag, both would be cool.

Ribannah · August 24, 2002, 10:14

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Originally posted by DarkCloud
The Iroquois are part of AMERICA. They are AMERICANS

On the Canadian side of the border people will be rather surprised by this outrageous claim.

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, not AMERINDS,

Huh? Amerind stands for ethnic background, not nationality.

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What do you think they are SEPRATIST REBELS!

They don't need to be separatists (like the Quebecois) or rebels, because they already are separate. That said, there are a great many lawsuits going on about property rights and the like. That is where the fighting takes place nowadays.

In some ways the position of the League is comparable to that of the Palestines, but the difference is that the League has always been autonomous (since 1451) whereas the Palestines only recently gained that title.

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If anyone can step in LEGALLY by that other nations full constitution, then how does that make them a nation.

If that would be the criterion, then there are no sovereign nations on Earth.

There are many occasions that other nations can and do legally step into USA affairs, too, you know.

Wittlich · August 24, 2002, 10:25

Touche' Ribannah!

DarkCloud · August 24, 2002, 13:45

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DarkCloud: Why is there an Aboriginal flag then?

Well then, there shouldn't be

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How about a pine tree flag Mark?

Or maybe the "Don't tread on me" snake flag, both would be cool.

I agree with Chris, if you let the Iroquois flag and other non-nation flags, you should allow 'other' flags in, which would then defeat the idea of using the flags for someone's true nationality or location.

However, if you start allowing 'friviolous' flags such as the Iroquois league, then by all means, other 'frivolous flags' should be allowed.

DarkCloud · August 24, 2002, 13:51

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If that would be the criterion, then there are no sovereign nations on Earth.

There are many occasions that other nations can and do legally step into USA affairs, too, you know.

I said written INTO their constitution allowing a specific country to step into them. I thought I made that clear.

And, for the fact that they can vote in USA elections and, (i am assuming Canadian) makes them CITIZENS of the USA.

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In some ways the position of the League is comparable to that of the Palestines, but the difference is that the League has always been autonomous (since 1451) whereas the Palestines only recently gained that title.

The league ceased to be autonomous when the evil americans conquered them and subjugated them then assimilated them.

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Huh? Amerind stands for ethnic background, not nationality

I was speaking about all groups because many have 'self governing tribal govts' I wished to be all-inclusive in my post.

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Thus, my argument still stands pristine. The Iroquois is NOT a SOVERIGN NATION. And, I think the added information about how they can VOTE in the USA proves that they are citizens of at least that nation, and I assume that in canada, they can vote for canadian officials- thus making them members of Canada.

Ribannah · August 24, 2002, 16:06

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I said written INTO their constitution allowing a specific country to step into them. I thought I made that clear.

Er, no, sorry, nothing in the League's constitution says anything like that.

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And, for the fact that they can vote in USA elections and, (i am assuming Canadian) makes them CITIZENS of the USA.

By the same reasoning, they are citizens of the League, since they get to vote in their own elections as well.
Or, since I get to vote in the European elections, and that makes me a citizen of Europe, you want the flags of all the member states of the EU removed?

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The league ceased to be autonomous when the evil americans conquered them and subjugated them then assimilated them.

If that had happened, sure, but the League was never conquered or subjugated.
Further, the Americans were assimilated more into the Iroquois ways than the other way around, so let's just dump the flag of the USA instead.