$mini-market: Trade thread turn 3

Franses · August 24, 2002, 10:44

Turn 3 closes at august 27, 10.00 hour [GMT time]

Use this thread for trade proposals only. So, NO DEBATES HERE

For rules, a directory of threads and debates see the thread Main thread and directory

Current Market Assessment:

Turn Number: 3
In Game year: 350 BC
"Special Economic Region": Apolyton, Termina, Tassagrad, BHQ

Total population: 4+4+3+3=14
Available labour: 14

Food demand: 14x2=28
Food supplied: 10+9+8+8= 35
D:S = 28/35 = $80

Shield Demand: 6+5+4+3=18
Shield Supply: 6+5+4+4=19
D:S = 18/19 = $95

Commerce Demand: 7+4+4+5=20
Commerce Supplied: 7+5+4+7=23
D:S = 20/23 = $87

Use the format provided in the rules to post your proposals.

Check the LATEST trade post for the most current default price (D:S). If you are suspicious of an error, check the previous post and make sure they added properly.

Have fun.

Turn 3 closes at august 27, 10.00 hour [GMT time]

Epistax · August 24, 2002, 11:03

Code:

Epistan Plantation, Turn 3.  Admin: Epistax
Holdings: 
     Tile 009, N Termina, 1/0/1
     Tile 012, NW Termina, 1/0/0
Buildings:
     Tavern @ Termina (0+2/10 Complete)
Stockpile: 0+0 food    0+2-2 shields    0+0 commerce
Production:  2 food      0 shields      1 commerce
Cash Change: +$133
     133     Transactions
Current Cash: $233      Debt: -$750 (Interest @ turn 15)
Selling:
     2 Food  @ $45/ea
     1 Comm  @ $45/ea
Buying:
     2 Shld  @ $60/ea
     2 Labr  @ $20/ea
New D/S:
     Food: 28/35+2    = $75
     Shld: 18+2/19    = $105
     Comm: 20/23+1    = $83
     Labr: 0+2/14     = $14
Predicted Expenses|Income: 160|135 = -$25

jdd2007 · August 24, 2002, 11:20

the Jungle Farm[insert trademark sign here]
and member of Osiris food thing
and partner in yet-unnamed big 3 thing

Turn #: 003

Holdings:
023 Tassagrad NW10 (jungle)
024 Tassagrad NW11 (jungle)
025 Tassagrad NW12 (jungle)

Stockpile:
0 food
0 shields
0 commerce

Cash: forget how much i made last turn

Debt: -$750 (10% interest, 13 turns remaining on grace period)

Buildings: none

Administered by: jdd2007 for now, but i would like to hire something with a lot of time on their hands.

Proposed Deals:

Sell 3 food @ $30 each
Sell 3 commerce @ 30$ each

GhengisFarb™ · August 24, 2002, 18:01

APOLYTONIAN MARKET JOURNAL

"In what many consider to be the most ruthless finacial move yet, jdd2007 cunningly held back 1 Food contract until 10 minutes before the Market Close. The subsequent sale dropped the final bid price by $1.

Just enough to cost Jonny and Kramerman their Food Contracts. Oh well, I guess Jonny and the K-man had to "eat" those contracts............"

-"Market" Mike Moneywant, Journal reporter

BULK PURCHASE ANNOUCEMENT
DEEMED UNFAIR
No transactions on this contract will be allowed. This means there are 14 more commerce than supply so you're going to have to sell your commerce at $39 or less each if you want to be sure it sells.

The league of generic Mingapulcan Shopkeeps has announced they will buy the first 14 Commerce offered to them at $40 each. This is a GUARANTEED Sale and is/does not affect(ed) the Demand/Supply for Commerce.

The first 14 Commerce traded with the transaction: "Sell # Commerce towards Shopkeep contract (Previous # + # you just sold/14) " Will be GUARANTEED sales.

Note, these Commerce are immediately distributed throughout the various league members' shops so you cannot take back the transaction once it's made.

EXAMPLE:
JoJo:

Code:

Sell 2 Commerce towards Shopkeep contract at $40 (2/14)

Bubbles:

Code:

Sell 4 Commerce towards Shopkeep contract at $40 (6/14)

Once 14 Commerce have been sold that's it, they won't buy anymore!

CONTRACT PURCHASES[/b]
..cancelled...Bought 3 at $40 from rendelnep , total paid $120 (3:14)
..cancelled...Bought 2 at $40 from Kloreep , total paid $80 (5:14)
..cancelled...Bought 1 at $40 from Epistax , total paid $40 (6:14)
..cancelled...Bought 1 at $40 from Spiffor , total paid $40 (7:14)

rendelnep · August 24, 2002, 21:09

sam's minor land holding
Turn #: 003
Holdings: Termina E (011) mined grass, road
Stockpile: 0 food, 2 shields, 2 commerce
Cash: $0
Debt: -$1020 (10% interest, 13 turns remaining on grace period)
Buildings: none

Administered by: rendelnep

Last turn's completed trades:
None
Net cash flow = $0
---
Production this turn: 2 food, 1 shield, 1 commerce
---

Proposed Deals:

Sell 2 food @ $75each (D:S 28/42 (35+2+3+2)=$66)
Sell 3 Commerce at $36 each (D:S=17/50=34)
sell 3 shields @$105 each (D:S 20(18+2)/22 (19+3)=$90)

edit: changed to Ghengisfeb's proposal. -gees i need to find a decent calculator

Kloreep · August 24, 2002, 21:37

I want to hire someone to manage my estate during whatever trading sessions are held from today till September 3rd (including this session, since I won't be around for the end of it).

I offer 15 lytons per session you manage.

GhengisFarb™ · August 24, 2002, 21:51

If you wish to sell all your inventory the post should look like this:

Quote:

Originally posted by rendelnep
sam's minor land holding
Turn #: 003
Holdings: Termina E (011) mined grass, road
Stockpile: 0 food, 2 shields, 2 commerce
Cash: $0
Debt: -$1020 (10% interest, 13 turns remaining on grace period)
Buildings: none

Administered by: rendelnep

Last turn's completed trades:
None
Net cash flow = $0
---
Production this turn: 2 food, 1 shield, 1 commerce
---

Proposed Deals:

Sell 2 food @ $75each (D:S 28/42 (35+2+3+2)=$66)
Sell 3 Commerce towards Shopkeep contract at $40 (3/14)
sell 3 shields @$105 each (D:S 20(18+3)/21 (19+3)=$90)

Note: you currently have 2 shields and 2 commerce in your stockpile.

Notice that as more product goes on the market, the price it is willing to pay drops. Currently it won't pay more than $66 for a Food or more than $90 for a Shield.

So as it stands you won't sell the 2 food or 3 shields unless you drop your offer price. And if anyone else sells more of those the price will drop lower.

It's not as catastrophic with shields and commerce as you stockpile up to 10 items of any combination of shield/commerce. But any food not sold is eaten by varmits at the end of the session.

The price is determined by the D:S line.

The first Market Assessment post states the beginning Food demand is 28 and the beginning Food supply is 35.
So at open its (D:S 28/35 = $80)
28 divided by 35 = 80%, the base price for everything is $100, so 80% of $100 is $80.

Then Epistax sold 2 Food and the D:S line changed:
Sell 2 Food (D:S 28/37 (35+2) = $75)

Then jdd2007 sold 3 Food and the D:S line changed again:
Sell 2 Food (D:S 28/40 (37+3) = $70)

Hope this helps.

Epistax · August 24, 2002, 21:57

In my view this thread has already gone to hell so I'll post this:

When you post your transactions, post the new D:S (price per item) for each item you screwed with. It aint hard. Additionally, don't post posts like this. I am sure this was meant to contain only posts that made transactions,

NOT

RANTING

!

Updated D:S

Food: 28/42 = $67
Shld: 20/21 = $95
Comm: 20/27 = $74 * 29 being sold, 2 to outside sources
Labr: 2/14 = $14

GhengisFarb™ · August 24, 2002, 22:41

Code:

The Shiek Estate 
Turn #: 003 
Holdings: 018 Tassagrad SE (jungle) and 021 Tassagrad W (jungle)

Stockpile: 0 food, 0 shields, 0 commerce 
Cash: $0 
Debt: -$400 (10% interest, 13 turns remaining on grace period) 
Buildings: none 

Administered by: GhengisFarb 

Last turn's completed trades: 
None 
Net cash flow = $0 
--- 
Production this turn: 2 food
--- 

Proposed Deals: 

Sell 2 food @ $44 (D:S 28/44 (42+2)=$64) 
Pay GhengisFarb $15

Jonny · August 25, 2002, 00:22

Estate Jonny
Turn #: 003
Holdings: 003a Apolyton SW (Forest, Road)

Stockpile: 0 food, 1 shield, 2 commerce
Cash: $150
Debt: -$1200 (10% interest, 13 turns remaining on grace period)
Buildings: none

Administered by: Jonny
-----------------------------
Production this turn:
1 food
2 shields
1 commerce
-----------------------------
Proposed Deals:
Sell 1 of 1 food @ $20 (New D:S = 28:44+1 = 28:45 = $62)
Sell 3 of 3 shields @ $40 (New D:S = 20:21+3 = 20:24 = $83)
Sell 3 of 3 commerce @ $20 (New D:S = 20:27+3 = 20:30 = $67)
------------------------------
Edit: Changed Prices! (August 26, 22:34 GMT)

notyoueither · August 25, 2002, 04:31

I'm set as soon as GF and Franses confirm my stockpile, cash, and debt.

Sorry to be a pain in the ass last turn guys.

Franses · August 25, 2002, 11:05

NYE, GF has to confirm, not me. I am just a simple market assessor

Estate of Franses
Turn #: 003
Holdings: Tile 002, NE Apolyton, Bonus Grassland (mine, rd)
Stockpile: 0 food, 0 shields, 0 commerce
Cash: $342
Debt: -$1100 (10% interest, 13 turns remaining on grace period)
Buildings: 2 of ? build

Administered by: Franses

Production this turn: 2 food, 2 shield, 1 commerce
---
Proposed Deals:

Sell 2 of 2 food @ $45 each (New D:S=28:47 (45+2) = $60 )
Sell 0 of 2 shields (New D:S=20:25 = $80 the earlier 24 was wrong)
Sell 1 of 1 commerce @ $60 (New D:S= 20:31 (30+1) = $65 )
Hire 2 labourers for $44 each. (new D:S=(2+2) 4/14=$29)

Franses · August 25, 2002, 14:16

As a free service offered to you by your market assessor you find attached an Excel file that contains: a tile overview, an estate overview and (what I posted it for) a market status overview. All regarding turn 3.

I do not guarantee the correctness of the content

It is a hell of a job to gather all the information. Do it yourself once and get even more respect for our banker, the great GhengisFarb.

It is a pity I can not publish and you can not update this Excell file directly. It would save GF a lot of work. It should not be to hard to develop our own Web page that does all this automatically. Perhaps I will do that one day.

GhengisFarb™ · August 25, 2002, 17:12

Quote:

Originally posted by notyoueither
I'm set as soon as GF and Franses confirm my stockpile, cash, and debt.

Sorry to be a pain in the ass last turn guys.

You currently have 4 commerce stockpiled and your production is 2 Food, 0 Shields and 2 Commerce. (Meaning you currently have 2 Food and 6 Commerce you can sell)

Haven't verified what we're going to on the food/cash last turn but it won't affect anything this session anyway.

GhengisFarb™ · August 25, 2002, 19:32

Code:

House Ghengis Land Holdings in the Province of Mingapulco
Turn #: 003 
Holdings: 
House Ghengis:
"Apolyfield" - 004 Apolyton NW (grass), 
"Jungleister" - 015 Termina NE3 (jungle), 
"Ghengis Mountain" - 022 Tassagrad NW (jungle)

Leased from adaMada:
005 Apolyton NW10 (mined grass rd)

Leased from civman2000:
008 Apolyton NE1 (mined grass rd)

Leased from UnOrthOdOx:
013 Termina NE1 (jungle), 
014 Termina NE2 (jungle)

Stockpile: 
GhengisFarb Estate: 0 food, 0 shields, 2 commerce
adaMada Estate:.....0 food, 2 shields, 2 commerce
  
Cash: $166 
Debt: -$1000 (10% interest, 13 turns remaining on grace period) 
Buildings: (3 of ?) Building? 

Administered by: GhengisFarb, First Ghengis of House Ghengis 

Last turn's completed trades: 
GhengisFarb hired 3 labor at $44 
GhengisFarb sold 5 food at $44 
GhengisFarb paid civman2001 $175 
GhengisFarb received $53 from UnOrthOdOx 
.......Net cash flow = -$34  
--- 
Production this turn: 9 food, 3 shields, 3 commerce
--- 

Proposed Deals: 

Sell 9 food @ $44 (D:S 28/56 (47+9)=$50) 
Sell 1 shield @ $65 (D:S 20/26 (25+1)=$76) 
Sell 7 commerce @ $46 (D:S 20/41 (34+7)=$49)
Pay civman2000 $175 rent
Pay adaMada $110 rent
Pay UnOrthOdOx $125 rent

notyoueither · August 25, 2002, 19:48

OK. Assume no sale last turn. Food rotted. My fault, but we had a good feast.

Code:

The Mustang Ranch [001], Turn 3.  notyoueither
Stockpile: 0 food, 0 shield, 4 commerce 
Cash $0 
Dept: -$1000
___ 

Production this turn: 2 food, 2 Commerce
---- 
Deals:
Sell 2 of 2Food  @ $44 each
Have 0 Shld  @ 
Sell 3 of 6 Comm  @ $65 each
----
New D/S:
Food: 28/56+2    = $48
Comm: 20/23+3    = $77

Did I get the numbers right? Let me know and I'll edit.

Can I come back later and adjust selling price offered?

UnOrthOdOx · August 25, 2002, 20:10

ok. ok. Ghengis, you are now renting those from me? OK, that means I must manage the debt myself, correct?

If so I believe I have:

Cash 125, Dept -350(10% interest 13 turns remain)

I propose to pay 125 towards debt.

Is this correct? Ghengis? I haven't really checked much at all since we made an arrangement.

GhengisFarb™ · August 25, 2002, 20:11

Quote:

Originally posted by notyoueither
OK. Assume no sale last turn. Food rotted. My fault, but we had a good feast.

Code:

The Mustang Ranch [001], Turn 3.  notyoueither
Stockpile: 0 food, 0 shield, 4 commerce 
Cash $0 
Dept: -$1000
___ 

Production this turn: 2 food, 2 Commerce
---- 
Deals:
Sell 2 of 2Food  @ $44 each
Have 0 Shld  @ 
Sell 3 of 6 Comm  @ $65 each
----
New D/S:
Food: 28/56+2    = $48
Comm: 20/23+3    = $77

Did I get the numbers right? Let me know and I'll edit.

Can I come back later and adjust selling price offered?

I think the D:S lines will be:
Sell 2 Food @ $44 (D:S=28/58 (56+2)=$48) No problems there
and....
Sell 3 Commerce @ $77 (D:S=20/44 (41+3)=$45) Not sure where your original demand supply numbers came from but these are the correct ones.

NOTICE THAT THERE ARE 21 COMMERCE OFFERED FOR SALE BUT THE MARKET DEMAND IS 20 SO ONLY THE 20 LOWEST PRICED COMMERCE WILL BE SOLD.

Although the first 14 sold to the Contract earlier are guarateed sales at $40. Currently rendelnep has sold 3 on that contract meaning 11 commerce can still be sold for a guaranteed $ amount.

UnOrthOdOx · August 25, 2002, 20:15

Has there been some rule changes? What is this 'contract'? 14 guaranteed? and 6 more in a price war? Bonus to selling early? How did $40 be decided as the price on contract?

GhengisFarb™ · August 25, 2002, 21:23

Quote:

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
ok. ok. Ghengis, you are now renting those from me? OK, that means I must manage the debt myself, correct?

If so I believe I have:

Cash 125, Dept -350(10% interest 13 turns remain)

I switched to the "rent style" because that way I only have to make one post and if the price changes I don;t have to hunt down all the various posts, I just have to change one.

I figured I'd wait until you had the money to pay off the loan and do it all at once. In like two more turns, unless MWIA gets back before then.

Quote:

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
Has there been some rule changes? What is this 'contract'? 14 guaranteed? and 6 more in a price war? Bonus to selling early? How did $40 be decided as the price on contract?

It's a test of an idea we had in the Concept Thread, this IS the Beta and we have a lot of other concepts to try out before we're through. $40 was the first even # below the minimum price if all market demand was met.

(Members had kept failing to make their bids on commerce and the commerce stockpile was almost DOUBLE the amount demanded)

GhengisFarb™ · August 25, 2002, 21:56

Code:

Estate of Kloreep
Turn #: 003 
Holdings: 
006 Apolyton NW11 (mined grass rd)

Stockpile:  0 food, 2 shields, 1 commerce 
Cash: $298 
Debt: -$1400 (10% interest, 13 turns remaining on grace period) 
Buildings: (3 of ?) Building? 

Administered by: GhengisFarb 

Last turn's completed trades: 
NONE
..........Total Income for Turn =$0 

--- 
Production this turn: 2 food, 2 shields, 1 commerce
--- 

Proposed Deals: 

Sell 2 food @ $44 (D:S 28/56 (47+9)=$50) 
Sell 4 shields @ $61 (D:S 20/30 (25+1)=$66) 
Sell 2 Commerce towards Shopkeep contract at $40 (5/14)

Kloreep · August 25, 2002, 21:56

Instead of hiring someone to manage my estate, I'm renting the land to GhengisFarb at $200 a trading session. My tile is no longer available for management or renting.

Edit: Uh, GhengisFarb, I thought we agreed on a rent. It looks to me like you're actually managing my estate.

Epistax · August 25, 2002, 22:05

Code:

Epistan Plantation, Turn 3.  Admin: Epistax
+Update+
Selling:
     2 Food  @ $45/ea
     1 Comm  @ $40/ea to Shopkeep (6 of 14)
Buying:
     2 Shld  @ $70/ea
     2 Labr  @ $30/ea
D/S:
     Food: 28/56    = $48
     Shld: 20/30    = $67
     Comm: 20/44-1    = $47
     Labr: 4/14     = $29
Predicted Expenses|Income: 130|200 = -$70

GhengisFarb™ · August 25, 2002, 22:05

Quote:

Originally posted by Kloreep
Instead of hiring someone to manage my estate, I'm renting the land to GhengisFarb at $200 a trading session. My tile is no longer available for management or renting.

Edit: Uh, GhengisFarb, I thought we agreed on a rent. It looks to me like you're actually managing my estate.

I'll add it next session. I didn't want to have to go back and reedit that huge post.

Kloreep · August 25, 2002, 22:16

Quote:

Originally posted by GhengisFarb

I'll add it next session. I didn't want to have to go back and reedit that huge post.

Oh, okay. Thanks for managing my land this turn. I'll pay you for it after I get back on the 3rd.

Spiffor · August 25, 2002, 22:32

Code:

Spiffor's Woodworks, Turn 3.  Admin: Spiffor
Holdings: Tile 003b, W Apolyton, 1/2/1
Stockpile: 0 food    1 shields    0 commerce
Production:  1 food      2 shields      1 commerce

Current Cash: $195      Debt: -$970 (Interest @ turn 15)
Selling:
     1 Food  @ $40/ea
     3 Shields @ $55/ea
     1 Comm  @ $40/ea to Shopkeep (7 of 14)

New D/S:
     Food: 28/56+1    = $49
     Shld: 20/30+3    = $61
     Comm: 20/43+1    = $47
     Labr: 4/14     = $29

Pay off $195 of the debt
Predicted Expenses|Income: 190|195 = -$5

Kramerman · August 25, 2002, 22:57

Kramerman's Brothel Ranch
Turn #: 003
Holdings: Tile 029, SW BHQ, Grassland (mine, river, road)
Stockpile: 0 food, 0 shields, 4 commerce
Cash: $120
Debt: -$1500 (10% interest, 13 turns remaining on grace period)

Administered by: Pimp Daddy Kman

Stockpile:
0 food
0 shields
4 commerce

Last turn's completed trades: 0 food, 2 shields, 0 commerce
---
Production this turn: 2 food, 1 shield, 2 commerce
---

Proposed Deals:

Sell 2 of 2 food @ $42 each (New D:S=28:57+2= $47 )
Sell 1 of 1 shields @ $56 each (New D:S = 20/33+1= $59)
Sell 3 of 4 commerce @ $38 (New D:S = 20/44+3= $43)

Epistax · August 25, 2002, 23:05

kramer didn't update stats correctly.

Food: 28/59=$47
Shields: 20/34 =$59
Com: 20/47=$43
Labor: 4/14 = $29

He didn't take into account Spiffs numbers.

I don't know if I did it perfectly however

Kramerman · August 25, 2002, 23:11

Quote:

Originally posted by Epistax
kramer didn't update stats correctly.

Food: 28/59=$47
Shields: 20/34 =$59
Com: 20/47=$43
Labor: 4/14 = $29

He didn't take into account Spiffs numbers.

I don't know if I did it perfectly however

woops. Ill fix this, one sec

Epistax · August 25, 2002, 23:29

Eh might as well:

Code:

Epistan Plantation, Turn 3.  Admin: Epistax
+Update+
Selling:
     2 Food  @ $45/ea
     1 Comm  @ $40/ea to Shopkeep (6 of 14)
Buying:
     2 Shld  @ $59/ea
     2 Labr  @ $29/ea
D/S:
     Food: 28/59    = $47
     Shld: 20/34    = $59
     Comm: 20/47    = $43
     Labr: 4/14     = $29
Predicted Expenses|Income: 176|130 = -$46